christiefan915 (11-06-2019), PoliTalker (11-05-2019), ThatOwlWoman (11-04-2019)
1. The Mueller report stated there was insufficient evidence to prove Trump knowingly pushed for "collusion" with the Russians regarding the 2016 election. However, Mueller went out of his way to state that there was more than sufficient evidence for Congress to address regarding Trumps conduct in related matters.
2. Impeachment hearing are NOT about over turning the 2016 election. It's about holding a President accountable for violating his oath of office on various subjects. As someone wiser than I pointed out, if your kid gets a scholarship to college, then proceeds to cheat when there, his expulsion is not an attempt to expunge his scholarship earning, but to punish him for violating the rules and regulations of the college once there.
3. Roger Stone is going to go to trial regarding his role in the 2016 election and the information the Russians stole regarding Clinton. He's one of Trumps staunch right hands and self admitted "dirty trickster" for the conservative cause.
4. Look at the list of Trump appointees who have either jumped ship or were canned in the last 2 years...then look at what they said about it.
5. Trump either doesn't understand or care about emoluments clause of the Constitution. https://www.thenation.com/article/tr...nt-emoluments/
6. While it's not required, Trump's tax records are now part of a New York State investigation regarding pay offs to the 2 sleazes that he had affairs with. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...utors-n1076186
These are just for starters....die hard supporters can deny all they want, but the facts speak for themselves.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
christiefan915 (11-06-2019), PoliTalker (11-05-2019), ThatOwlWoman (11-04-2019)
Love to hear from Bolton. Love to hear from Rudy. I heard Rudy's client Lev Parnas is ready to flip sides. That should be fun.
Taichiliberal (11-06-2019)
Hello Taichiliberal,
Great thread. This thread is proudly admitted to the PoliTalker Great Thread Hall of Fame for excellence. Well done.
All excellent points. And, as you say, it is just for starters.
It really is amazing how much he has gotten away with. Scandal after scandal, any one of which would have sunk any other politician. But those are people with a conscience. They have a sense of right and wrong, a sense of decency. They are the kind of people who would 'do the right thing' and resign the moment something unscrupulous they have done is exposed publicly. Trump just doesn't resign, ever. He just denies he ever did the crime, insults a few people, tosses some juicy trash to the media in an effort to displace the bad story about him and moves on like it never happened.
We are going to have to throw him out if we want to be rid of him.
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Taichiliberal (11-06-2019)
Collusion is not a crime. That is why Trump and his followers stressed it so often. They knew he could not get nailed with that. Mueller did not even discuss it and did not try to build a case for it. He showed 10 incidents of obstruction by Trump and they are pivotal in the House investigation.
Taichiliberal (11-06-2019)
Hello Gonzomin,
None of it matters to Trump fans. They have been conditioned by their dictator to simply look the other way. Even the Trump fans who admit he did something wrong will simply proclaim that yes it was wrong what he did but it does not rise to the level of convicting him and removing him from office. They want to cling to that executive power that badly.
My best guess is that he will be impeached but then the Senate will not convict him. Then he will use it as propaganda to claim he is totally exonerated, that did nothing wrong and that Democrats are crazed loonies who have been trying to reverse the 2016 election from the start (a lie) and that followers need to rally around Trump or Dems will put a socialist in office and take away freedom and guns.
Another thing that will happen is that Trump will become emboldened after beating the rap. He will begin to think he can do no wrong. His crimes will accelerate, and become more serious.
Hopefully, if he beats the rap, liberals will become strongly motivated to throw him out in the 2020 election. Then many Democrats will also ride in on the coat tails of the 2020 Blue Wave.
I personally don't care WHO the Dem candidate is. I intend to not only vote for that candidate, but volunteer and campaign for that candidate. Even if it is Biden, my last choice.
We have got to get rid of Trump one way or another before we can begin to repair the damage that he has done and move this country forward.
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Thanks, but I sadly think that we will be lucky enough to get a censure from the GOP controlled Senate. Trump has/is doing his job....gutting or ham stringing anything Obama got done, federal programs that help the populace and watch dog corporations and revitalizing the military/industrial complex. The GOP and their handlers don't like him, but he's their Frankenstein monster, and they are stuck with him. Are only hope is that the people are willing to band together and fight election chicanery next year.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
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