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    Default Some of my less learned posters need a primer on impeachable offences.

    In Federalist 65, one of the principal architects of the Constitution Alexander Hamilton wrote that impeachable offenses are those that arise from the "misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust."He explains that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a common law term used to describe offences that are "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

    As you may or not have learned in your provencal schools, the executive is not the only constitutional officer who can be impeached. Judicial officers have more often been the subject of impeachment, using the same standard laid out by the Constitution, and in those cases less than a third have been impeached due to statutorily criminal offences. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf (page 9) Interestingly, Federal Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted for, among other things,
    appearing on the bench “in a state of total intoxication.” ibid. This was not a crime.

    President Johnson was specifically impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act, which was not a criminal statute and violation of it was not a criminal act. HE was also impeached for criticizing Congress and questioning its legislative authority. These are not criminal acts.

    As you can see, historical precedent illustrates, that while it appears that President Trump has committed several criminal acts, impeachment does not require such.


    So PLEASE stop spewing your uneducated crap. Thank you!
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    I can smell the stench of desperation from the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I can smell the stench of desperation from the left.
    Your copying posts I made earlier today make you look pitiful. Educate yourself, you might have a better life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Your copying posts I made earlier today make you look pitiful. Educate yourself, you might have a better life!
    Excuse me? Would you like to direct me to those posts? Or this just another one of your fantasies.

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    Judges are a poor example.
    they can be removed for abuse of power because the do not face an election -they are appointed.

    Because Impeachment of a POTUS OVERTURNS THE DIRECT WILL OF THE PEOPLE -a higher bar
    ( High crimes and Misdemeanors) is used.
    The text is clear. looking at Parliament isn't useful since a PM can be called on a snap election..


    Bottom line impeaching a POTUS is a grave matter that effects the entire country, not just a judge
    Because of such high bar, the TEXT makes it clear a crime of Office is needed to remove.

    The TEXT is the ultimate authority

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    In Federalist 65, one of the principal architects of the Constitution Alexander Hamilton wrote that impeachable offenses are those that arise from the "misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust."He explains that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a common law term used to describe offences that are "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

    As you may or not have learned in your provencal schools, the executive is not the only constitutional officer who can be impeached. Judicial officers have more often been the subject of impeachment, using the same standard laid out by the Constitution, and in those cases less than a third have been impeached due to statutorily criminal offences. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf (page 9) Interestingly, Federal Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted for, among other things,
    appearing on the bench “in a state of total intoxication.” ibid. This was not a crime.

    President Johnson was specifically impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act, which was not a criminal statute and violation of it was not a criminal act. HE was also impeached for criticizing Congress and questioning its legislative authority. These are not criminal acts.

    As you can see, historical precedent illustrates, that while it appears that President Trump has committed several criminal acts, impeachment does not require such.


    So PLEASE stop spewing your uneducated crap. Thank you!
    Starting ANOTHER thread on the same topic, eh? You really are OCD. So, you'll get the same answers.
    You have no impeachable charges.
    There ARE no impeachable charges.
    The transcript removes the need for humans to interpret it. The transcript is hard cold black & white
    solitary evidence and facts.
    President Zelensky + transcript = no need for outside interpretation/translation
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Your copying posts I made earlier today make you look pitiful. Educate yourself, you might have a better life!
    Jarod? I asked you to direct me to those supposed posts. You seem to have fallen silent. Hmm. Wonder why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Judges are a poor example.
    they can be removed for abuse of power because the do not face an election -they are appointed.

    Because Impeachment of a POTUS OVERTURNS THE DIRECT WILL OF THE PEOPLE -a higher bar
    ( High crimes and Misdemeanors) is used.
    The text is clear. looking at Parliament isn't useful since a PM can be called on a snap election..


    Bottom line impeaching a POTUS is a grave matter that effects the entire country, not just a judge
    Because of such high bar, the TEXT makes it clear a crime of Office is needed to remove.

    The TEXT is the ultimate authority
    That’s not what the Constitution says, the Constitution gives the same standard for jackets as they do for the executive. You should learn a little more about the country you live in.
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    More uneducated crap... I pity you people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    More uneducated crap... I pity you people.
    Still waiting Jarod. You were not lying again were you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    In Federalist 65, one of the principal architects of the Constitution Alexander Hamilton wrote that impeachable offenses are those that arise from the "misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust."He explains that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a common law term used to describe offences that are "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

    As you may or not have learned in your provencal schools, the executive is not the only constitutional officer who can be impeached. Judicial officers have more often been the subject of impeachment, using the same standard laid out by the Constitution, and in those cases less than a third have been impeached due to statutorily criminal offences. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf (page 9) Interestingly, Federal Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted for, among other things,
    appearing on the bench “in a state of total intoxication.” ibid. This was not a crime.

    President Johnson was specifically impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act, which was not a criminal statute and violation of it was not a criminal act. HE was also impeached for criticizing Congress and questioning its legislative authority. These are not criminal acts.

    As you can see, historical precedent illustrates, that while it appears that President Trump has committed several criminal acts, impeachment does not require such.


    So PLEASE stop spewing your uneducated crap. Thank you!
    wait - a shit stain is coming here and telling us the constitution is what one old dead white guys say it is

    and the one guy is Hamilton?


    bwahahaha. you fucking idiot. Hamilton would despise you progressive shit heads. He would fucking kill you dead, dead, dead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    wait - a shit stain is coming here and telling us the constitution is what one old dead white guys say it is

    and the one guy is Hamilton?

    bwahahaha. you fucking idiot. Hamilton would despise you progressive shit heads. He would fucking kill you dead, dead, dead.


    So you do not have an educated response? Just uneducated tripe? I figured. Where did you get your education? A whore house?
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    Hello Jarod,

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    In Federalist 65, one of the principal architects of the Constitution Alexander Hamilton wrote that impeachable offenses are those that arise from the "misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust."He explains that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a common law term used to describe offences that are "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

    As you may or not have learned in your provencal schools, the executive is not the only constitutional officer who can be impeached. Judicial officers have more often been the subject of impeachment, using the same standard laid out by the Constitution, and in those cases less than a third have been impeached due to statutorily criminal offences. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf (page 9) Interestingly, Federal Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted for, among other things,
    appearing on the bench “in a state of total intoxication.” ibid. This was not a crime.

    President Johnson was specifically impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act, which was not a criminal statute and violation of it was not a criminal act. HE was also impeached for criticizing Congress and questioning its legislative authority. These are not criminal acts.

    As you can see, historical precedent illustrates, that while it appears that President Trump has committed several criminal acts, impeachment does not require such.


    So PLEASE stop spewing your uneducated crap. Thank you!
    Very interesting.

    Thanks.

    Didn't know that.

    I had heard that basically, an impeachable offense is anything the House says it is.

    This guy was doing his own work on our dime. And what he did was actually acting against our common interest. His shadow foreign affairs operation acted AGAINST the policy of the US State Department. Not only was he doing his own work on our dime, but what he did undid what we paid to have done.

    And then to realize that this imperiled an ally, and was meant to rig an election in his favor, that an attempt was made to cover it up, and that US House (We the people) was obstructed in it's oversight of the Executive branch, well, I don't care if an actual law was broken or not, though it would be hard to believe all of that is legal, THAT, to me is quite enough to warrant impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Jarod,



    Very interesting.

    Thanks.

    Didn't know that.

    I had heard that basically, an impeachable offense is anything the House says it is.

    This guy was doing his own work on our dime. And what he did was actually acting against our common interest. His shadow foreign affairs operation acted AGAINST the policy of the US State Department. Not only was he doing his own work on our dime, but what he did undid what we paid to have done.

    And then to realize that this imperiled an ally, and was meant to rig an election in his favor, that an attempt was made to cover it up, and that US House (We the people) was obstructed in it's oversight of the Executive branch, well, I don't care if an actual law was broken or not, though it would be hard to believe all of that is legal, THAT, to me is quite enough to warrant impeachment.

    This, thank you for your educated and intelligent response.
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    The rabble do not understand impeachment and should simply leave it to the more educated.
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