How Disgusting Are Big Corporations?

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all donations capped at 500 bucks, and cannot be from companies or organizations. done. elections reformed.

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Hillary is not running, Sanders is. That is a fact, You know what that are?

It is obvious you don't. You have no clue what the word 'fact' even means. It does not mean 'Universal Truth' or 'proof'.

It is not a fact. It is an argument.

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Corporations are as evil as we permit them to be. The founders chartered them with the understanding if they did things damaging to society, they would lose their charter. Many corporations of today would lose theirs. The corporate heads started back then to slowly take power and control. The idea that corporations are people is a terrible decision that the court never really made. Corporations should be under the power of the government.

They are. They are also made up of people. They also enjoy all the rights of those people that make them up.

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yes, as long as that government isnt also controlled by bankers or corporate oligarchs. the devil is in the details.

There is no such thing as a 'corporate oligarch'. An oligarchy is a government structure, not a corporation or any part of a corporation. By your definitions, every home owner or business owner is a dictator.

The federal government is defined, organized, and controlled by the Constitution of the United States. Any deviation from that is the problem, not who is 'controlling it'.

The banks are controlled by the Federal Reserve, an unconstitutionally created central bank that is unconstitutionally given power to 'coin money' that is other than silver or gold.
Any government officer that is being paid by a corporation to make laws benefiting that corporation is breaking the law and the Constitution and should be treated as such.
Any government officer that is being paid by a foreign corporation or foreign government to favor that corporation or foreign government is breaking the law and the Constitution and should be treated as such.
Any court that tries to usurp power over the Constitution or tries to change the Constitution is breaking the law and the Constitution that created that court it, and should be treated as such.

Does it happen? Yes, unfortunately. One classic example is the laws passed by the Federal Government to benefit DuPont chemical, such as the 'ozone hole' laws. Laws that were paid for by DuPont chemical, which was losing the patents on R-12 refrigerant.

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It is the function of the voters and people to select leaders who work for them.

Fine.

Not people like Trump.

Trump is working for a lot of people. Have you ever seen one of his rallies?

The government can fight corporations.

It can fight you too. However, corporations have rights, just as you do. Corporations are made up of people.

You cannot.

You can. Stop buying from them. Many a corporation has been destroyed in this way.

So it is incumbent on you and other voters to choose wisely.

No, you do not get to use government to dictate rights away from people or corporations.

The old saw about crippling regulation is a great example.

It's an old saw, and one that is true. There are a lot of crippling regulations.

Corporations will turn the environment into a swamp to increase profits.

Turns out there is very little profit in that. I am also a corporation. Part of my business is to clean up swamps, rivers, air, etc. There's good money in it. I find corporations that pollute wind up going out of business.

There is almost nothing a person or people can do against their power.

Sure there is. You are a customer, are you not? YOU choose to be that customer!

Those regulations were installed to protect the people and the environment.

The EPA is unconstitutional. Nothing gave Congress the authority to establish any such department, to define 'pollution', or to regulate naturally occurring gases.

Yet many have been convinced that regulations are bad.

Unconstitutional regulations ARE bad. Unconstitutionally created departments are even worse.

It is a constant refrain sung by wealthy

No, it is sung by patriots.

and corporations

Corporations are also people. Never forget that. No corporation exists in a vacuum.

until many people have learned and sung the same lyrics.

"O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light; what so proudly we hailed, at the twilight's last gleaming?"

The government can be your friend and will fight for you.

It can also be your enemy and fight against you. Never forget that either.

Corporations will not.

Corporations must satisfy their customers, or they will have no customers. No customers means no profit. No profit means no more corporation. Corporations will fight for those customers to survive. They will fight for you, if you are their customer.

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In a sense, when you are not being paid by a company, they still own and control you. You are working for them for free.

No.

You are an employee, selling your skills to your customer, your employer. You can leave at any time. Slavery is illegal in the United States.

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Hello Nordberg,



Corporations want to be treated as people, but they treat real people as possessions.

If real people acted like corporations, their victims often seek court-mandated restraining orders.

Corporations ARE people. And people DO have court mandated restraining orders placed against them.

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In no way do I understand the corporations are people concept.

Can a corporation exist without any people in it? No. Someone owns that corporation, or it is made up of several owners. The articles of incorporation are written by actual people. Filing them and paying the filing fees are actual people. Corporations cannot exist in a vacuum.

Except it gives the corporations and their execs undeserved powers that continue decade after decade.

Who are YOU to decide what is 'undeserved'? You are not the king.

They lobby and bribe for something.

If a government officer accepts such a bribe and passes laws to benefit that corporation as a result of that bribe, that is illegal. It should be treated as such.

The house and senate change and die off.

Irrelevant.

The lobbying and bribing continue.

The same thing applies.

Eventually, they slip in what they wanted all along.

At that moment, the government officer that 'slipped it in' is breaking the law.

That is what allowed Gramm to slip the Banking deregulation laws in which gave us a 2nd great depression to fight off.

No, the Fed did that one!

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all donations capped at 500 bucks, and cannot be from companies or organizations. done. elections reformed.

This certainly would stop a lot of the corruption.

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They are. They are also made up of people. They also enjoy all the rights of those people that make them up.

Individually they have those rights, Collectively they do not, You really cannot understand the difference. Corporations are not people.

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Individually they have those rights, Collectively they do not, You really cannot understand the difference. Corporations are not people.

Yes, they are.

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Individually they have those rights, Collectively they do not, You really cannot understand the difference. Corporations are not people.

Collectively they have those rights as well. Nothing changes. No corporation exists in a vacuum.

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Yes, they are.

no they aren't man.

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no they aren't man.

What corporation has ever been formed without people to form it?
If no one is in a corporation, what activity does it pursue?

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What corporation has ever been formed without people to form it?
If no one is in a corporation, what activity does it pursue?

they're still not people. they're legal structures to protect people from personal responsibility.