How Disgusting Are Big Corporations?

[Mason Michaels]

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[Into the Night]

they're still not people. they're legal structures to protect people from personal responsibility.

It takes people to form those legal structures. It takes people to run them. Even your own definition has 'people' in it. Those people have rights.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

It takes people to form those legal structures. It takes people to run them. Even your own definition has 'people' in it. Those people have rights.

thats so stupid. it takes people to build a building, that doesn't mean buildings are people. you're smarter than this. I remember my neocon zealot phase. I was wrong then.

[Into the Night]

thats so stupid. it takes people to build a building, that doesn't mean buildings are people.

A very nice try, but a false equivalence. Buildings do not need people to be in them or even occupy them. Corporations do (or the corporation simply ceases to exist). Yes, it's still on the records, but with no further taxes being paid, etc., it won't be on the records long!

you're smarter than this. I remember my neocon zealot phase. I was wrong then.

Don't count me stupid just yet! I still welcome your counter-arguments!

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

A very nice try, but a false equivalence. Buildings do not need people to be in them or even occupy them. Corporations do (or the corporation simply ceases to exist). Yes, it's still on the records, but with no further taxes being paid, etc., it won't be on the records long!

Don't count me stupid just yet! I still welcome your counter-arguments!

you're still an idiot on this one dude. the false equivalence is corporation = person.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

being a corporation means never having to say you're sorry.

[Into the Night]

you're still an idiot on this one dude. the false equivalence is corporation = person.

No. I am saying corporations are made up of people. They can't exist without people. Those people have rights.

[Into the Night]

being a corporation means never having to say you're sorry.

According to you, corporations don't have the ability to say anything. Paradox. Which is it, dude?

Why would any director or employee of any corporation be able to do this?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

According to you, corporations don't have the ability to say anything. Paradox. Which is it, dude?

Why would any director or employee of any corporation be able to do this?

newspapers arent people either. neither are radios.

[Into the Night]

newspapers arent people either. neither are radios.

Redirection fallacy. We aren't talking about newspapers or radios.

[Mason Melchizedek]

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[Mason Melchizedek]

It takes people to form those legal structures. It takes people to run them. Even your own definition has 'people' in it. Those people have rights.

Read The Grapes of Wrath

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Redirection fallacy. We aren't talking about newspapers or radios.

these are metaphors.

[Maestro]

The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations are persons for purposes of constitutional protections under the First Amendment. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 50 (2010). The decision has generated much criticism, some of it directed at the court, but most at corporations generally. Corporations have gotten out of control: like the fictional Triffids that were cultivated to produce edible oil, they began to infest everything. John Wyndham, The Day of the Triffids (1951).

A corporation is an artificial person. It is a creature of statute; and, unlike a natural person, a corporation can, potentially, exist indefinitely. Once formed, a corporation has all the rights and privileges of a natural person, except voting (which it does nevertheless with its checkbook), or appear in federal courts except by attorney; for, unlike a natural person, a corporation may only act through its officers, directors and agents. A corporation, like a natural person, may be licensed to do business in a state other than its domicile. Like a natural person, a corporation may be held accountable for it acts, and even convicted of crimes. Corporations have been around for some time. Our cities and many towns are municipal corporations through which local government is exercised.

The problem is not with corporations, but those who would abuse its franchise, and much that is wrong with our country is due to such misuse. The pernicious influence of corporate corruption is ubiquitous, even in the halls of Congress where their lobbyists peddle their influence. It is their doing that much of the tax code is so unfairly balanced to the point of subsidization of corporate business, and it is their agenda that sponsors much of the so-called "reform" legislation that has been recently enacted. It is like a cancer that has spread into every cell of our social structure and civic institutions to the detriment of individual rights and liberties.

Is there any remedy? The courthouse doors have been all but closed for individual legal redress; and there are even efforts being made to undermine the independence of the federal judiciary which threatens to subvert the constitutional checks and balances to the excesses of government. Therefore, it will have to be the responsibility of every citizen to be vigilant in overseeing their representatives and holding them accountable lest our democracy turn into a corporate tyranny.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations are persons for purposes of constitutional protections under the First Amendment. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 50 (2010). The decision has generated much criticism, some of it directed at the court, but most at corporations generally. Corporations have gotten out of control: like the fictional Triffids that were cultivated to produce edible oil, they began to infest everything. John Wyndham, The Day of the Triffids (1951).

A corporation is an artificial person. It is a creature of statute; and, unlike a natural person, a corporation can, potentially, exist indefinitely. Once formed, a corporation has all the rights and privileges of a natural person, except voting (which it does nevertheless with its checkbook), or appear in federal courts except by attorney; for, unlike a natural person, a corporation may only act through its officers, directors and agents. A corporation, like a natural person, may be licensed to do business in a state other than its domicile. Like a natural person, a corporation may be held accountable for it acts, and even convicted of crimes. Corporations have been around for some time. Our cities and many towns are municipal corporations through which local government is exercised.

The problem is not with corporations, but those who would abuse its franchise, and much that is wrong with our country is due to such misuse. The pernicious influence of corporate corruption is ubiquitous, even in the halls of Congress where their lobbyists peddle their influence. It is their doing that much of the tax code is so unfairly balanced to the point of subsidization of corporate business, and it is their agenda that sponsors much of the so-called "reform" legislation that has been recently enacted. It is like a cancer that has spread into every cell of our social structure and civic institutions to the detriment of individual rights and liberties.

Is there any remedy? The courthouse doors have been all but closed for individual legal redress; and there are even efforts being made to undermine the independence of the federal judiciary which threatens to subvert the constitutional checks and balances to the excesses of government. Therefore, it will have to be the responsibility of every citizen to be vigilant in overseeing their representatives and holding them accountable lest our democracy turn into a corporate tyranny.

yeah. that citizens united was a shit decision that has allowed complete state capture. it's corporatism. aka actual fascism.