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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    So, if corporations are not people (your argument #1), then how do corporations have the ability to apologize (your argument #2)?

    Those two arguments form a paradox. This paradox must be cleared for rational argumentation to continue...
    Nice catch. You are getting good at spotting these paradoxes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    not good enough. your arguments are prima facie retarded. and you still didnt explain why corporations were devised, when we clearly already had people.
    Corporations were devised to limit liability to the corporation funds in the event of a lawsuit. This protects buyers of public stock in a corporation, for example, from a lawsuit against the corporation to go after personal wealth of the stock buyer. Otherwise, why have a stock market at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    For sh*ts and giggles:

    Hedge Fund Money Has Vastly Favored Clinton Over Trump

    Political donations from people at hedge funds have vaulted this election, and far more has gone to the Democratic nominee than to the Republican

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-f...ump-1469784601


    And Wall St backed Obama as well. The wealthy areas of this country are heavily Democratic and its interesting the idea that big money and big corporations don't support and/or donate to Democrats.
    Some truth here. It's a mixed bag who Wall Street sleeps with on any particular era. But currently they are still drunk on Trump and the Republicans. Talk to Tony Scaramucci- hedge fund genius!

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    Hello and welcome Maestro,

    Quote Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations are persons for purposes of constitutional protections under the First Amendment. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 50 (2010). The decision has generated much criticism, some of it directed at the court, but most at corporations generally. Corporations have gotten out of control: like the fictional Triffids that were cultivated to produce edible oil, they began to infest everything. John Wyndham, The Day of the Triffids (1951).

    A corporation is an artificial person. It is a creature of statute; and, unlike a natural person, a corporation can, potentially, exist indefinitely. Once formed, a corporation has all the rights and privileges of a natural person, except voting (which it does nevertheless with its checkbook), or appear in federal courts except by attorney; for, unlike a natural person, a corporation may only act through its officers, directors and agents. A corporation, like a natural person, may be licensed to do business in a state other than its domicile. Like a natural person, a corporation may be held accountable for it acts, and even convicted of crimes. Corporations have been around for some time. Our cities and many towns are municipal corporations through which local government is exercised.

    The problem is not with corporations, but those who would abuse its franchise, and much that is wrong with our country is due to such misuse. The pernicious influence of corporate corruption is ubiquitous, even in the halls of Congress where their lobbyists peddle their influence. It is their doing that much of the tax code is so unfairly balanced to the point of subsidization of corporate business, and it is their agenda that sponsors much of the so-called "reform" legislation that has been recently enacted. It is like a cancer that has spread into every cell of our social structure and civic institutions to the detriment of individual rights and liberties.

    Is there any remedy? The courthouse doors have been all but closed for individual legal redress; and there are even efforts being made to undermine the independence of the federal judiciary which threatens to subvert the constitutional checks and balances to the excesses of government. Therefore, it will have to be the responsibility of every citizen to be vigilant in overseeing their representatives and holding them accountable lest our democracy turn into a corporate tyranny.
    What an awesome post.

    Wish you would post more often.

    I think we need to get rid of legalized corruption and tax and regulate corporations more stringently.
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    the problem IS with corporations, the mere existince of the legal structural entity. if they didn't exist as a pseudo human legal structure designed to obfuscate and protect select natural humans from liability, then they wouldn't exist as a pseudo human legal structure designed to obfuscate and protect select natural humans from liability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    corporations and governmenment power unified in a monolith is fascism. misunderstanding fallacy.
    Nope. Fascism is a form of socialism. It is the theft of business operations by government. The owners still own the business, but the government operates it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    people say things over the airwaves, but radios are not people, just like hr reps say things for corporations, but corporations are not people.
    False equivalance fallacy. A radio is not a corporation, and is not made up of people. A corporation is a legal entity made up of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    but not people.
    Organizations of people are not people??? Paradox.
    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    there were people before corporations. so why did they devise corporate entities when people already existed? if they're the same thing it just be an illogical redundancy.
    Of course there were people before corporations. Yet they are organizations of people, just like any business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    the problem IS with corporations, the mere existince of the legal structural entity.
    Why is that a problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    if they didn't exist as a pseudo human legal structure designed to obfuscate and protect select natural humans from liability, then they wouldn't exist as a pseudo human legal structure designed to obfuscate and protect select natural humans from liability.
    ** Irrational position. You have yet to clear your paradoxes.


    ** So, IF they didn't exist, THEN they wouldn't exist??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Nope. Fascism is a form of socialism. It is the theft of business operations by government. The owners still own the business, but the government operates it.
    Nope. fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. It is not a subservient level for corporations. They exist separately and they work with the government because they have concomitant interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Nope. fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. It is not a subservient level for corporations.
    Yes it is.
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    They exist separately and they work with the government because they have concomitant interests.
    They do not have the same interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Nope. fascism is the marriage of corporations and government.
    Corporations and government do not marry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It is not a subservient level for corporations.
    Yes it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    They exist separately and they work with the government because they have concomitant interests.
    Corporations and government do not have the same interests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Why is that a problem?


    ** Irrational position. You have yet to clear your paradoxes.


    ** So, IF they didn't exist, THEN they wouldn't exist??

    there's no paradox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Yes it is.


    They do not have the same interests.
    sometimes they do. stop being such a corporate cheerleader. fascism is a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    there's no paradox.
    You can't clear a paradox by denying it. You must choose one and only one of the conflicting arguments and utterly discard the other. Arguing both sides of a paradox is irrational.

    I do not know what paradox he is referring to, but he's pretty good at catching them.

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