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Last edited by Stretch; 10-22-2019 at 02:36 PM.
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Cancel 2020.2 (10-22-2019), Truth Detector (10-22-2019)
in this case no difference.
If you read his background it's the same garbage of stopping Russia from "expansion" -nevermind the only expansion has been NATO expansion.
To give Obama a little bit of credit ( being fair minded) he did do the Russian reset, which would have stopped our current Cold war 2.0
But we fucked that up when we made damn sure ( John Mccain and Vicky Nuland) Ukraine's Euromaidan
became a ginned up revolution,and not about human rights/corruption.
Which caused the annexation of Crimea,etc.
Truth Detector (10-22-2019)
TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..
De Oppresso Liber
Taylor's opening statement is out...……..TONS of proof, provides everything needed for impeachment
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...or-Opening.pdf
TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..
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Stretch (10-22-2019)
Hello Centerleftfl,
Wow.
OK, I can understand the gasps now that I have read most of the text of the opening remarks.
"President Trump wanted President Zelenski 'in a public box' by making a public statement about ordering such investigations [into Biden.]"
Too bad Trump fans won't listen to reason. They'll either call it fake news or dismiss it as not an impeachable quid pro quo. Pretty thorough con job by Trump...
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Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Hello Stretch,
It doesn't surprise me you feel that way.
I think all of your curiosity will be relieved soon.
I would recommend you read the text of the opening statement by Taylor, as linked in the OP. It is 15 pages of chilling testimony.
Oh, and your cute cartoon? Justice is what is on the other side of the door. A sitting President cannot be indicted into the Justice system. Instead, the House is charged with holding the President accountable to his oath of office. And that is exactly what is going on.
As soon as the evidence has been gathered it will likely be drafted up into official Articles of Impeachment.
None of that will be secret. Then we will all get to read exactly what the President is charged with.
And I would expect to see Obstruction of the House Impeachment Inquiry as one of those Articles.
As well as the cover-up attempt with the secret server.
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Stretch (10-22-2019)
Hello Jarod,
He will be impeached but will he be convicted?
The defense could argue that the security assistance was eventually released without getting what was asked for; and that the security assistance was thus not actually withheld on the conditions imposed by team Giuliani.
That would give Trump devotees all the wiggle room they need to acquit.
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Jarod (10-22-2019)
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Seems the quid pro quo narrative is coming together:
"Diplomat says Ukraine aid was tied to political investigations"
"A top diplomat to Ukraine on Tuesday told House investigators that he believed the Trump administration withheld aid to Ukraine in an effort to get Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to launch politically motivated investigations, according to multiple sources familiar with his testimony.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-...aid-to-ukraine
"Top diplomat's testimony on Ukraine is 'sea change' in impeachment probe"
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...eachment-probe
"William Taylor testifies about deep-seated push for Ukraine quid pro quo"
"Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the president's lead defender in the room, was tight-lipped as he emerged from the closed-door deposition for a lunch break. He praised what he described as GOP lawyers’ effective questioning of Taylor but declined to say whether it yielded exculpatory information"
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...y-trump-054259
LV426 (10-22-2019)
It's obvious why you want a fast vote; you don't want people connecting all the dots between Conservatism and Trump. That you know the rot doesn't start and end with Trump, that it's inherent in Conservatism.
Mulvaney, Sessions, Pompeo...these were all Republican Party members long before Trump.
What you don't want is a drawn-out impeachment that entwines your entire belief system in with the corruption.
When I die, turn me into a brick and use me to cave in the skull of a fascist
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