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    Too little, too late, but, so so glad that Caesar got fucking stabbed like that. If that could have previously happened to Marius and Sulla, things might have worked-out better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Too little, too late, but, so so glad that Caesar got fucking stabbed like that. If that could have previously happened to Marius and Sulla, things might have worked-out better.
    caesar ruled. The senators were the deep state oligarchs of the day. Hail caesar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    So, an even larger and more tyrannical state is the correct solution?
    I dont think caesar ultimately would have been a monarch, though he did like some of the trappings of it.

    by the time caesar came around, there was no republic to lose. It was already a show.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 days View Post
    I dont think caesar ultimately would have been a monarch, though he did like some of the trappings of it.

    by the time caesar came around, there was no republic to lose. It was already a show.
    I honestly think that Octavian simply became what Caesar planned to become. There was no comparison to the Triumvirates and Principate with the later stages of the Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 days View Post
    you do realize that just because some ancient romans COULD speak greek, that didn't mean they never spoke latin, and that latin wasn't still their daily language, correct?
    I do - but memorable things needed to be said in a memorable language, I expect.

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    The difficulty was that Roman democracy was incompatible with dominating so many other peoples. It was very proper to see off the mass-murderer Caesar, but, by that stage, all it could lead to was Civil War and a continuing tyranny under a democratic show. Trumpf, clearly, is hardly in Caesar's league, but I think American imperialism presents much the same problems, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    The difficulty was that Roman democracy was incompatible with dominating so many other peoples. It was very proper to see off the mass-murderer Caesar, but, by that stage, all it could lead to was Civil War and a continuing tyranny under a democratic show. Trumpf, clearly, is hardly in Caesar's league, but I think American imperialism presents much the same problems, basically.
    I believe Grind was proposing a 'solution' to the American 'Problem'. Trying to gather his Conspirators into action. (Unfortunately, I don't think Red Team know who 'Caesar' is, and I don't think they know where Rome is, ... or the Timeline that is being expressed. So they sit there, sucking their thumbs, thinking ... 'Grind is stoned again') Just Sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I believe Grind was proposing a 'solution' to the American 'Problem'. Trying to gather his Conspirators into action. (Unfortunately, I don't think Red Team know who 'Caesar' is, and I don't think they know where Rome is, ... or the Timeline that is being expressed. So they sit there, sucking their thumbs, thinking ... 'Grind is stoned again') Just Sad!
    Like it, I really do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Apparently, as an educated Roman. Caesar didn't actually say, 'Et tu Brute' - being an educated Roman, he spoke Greek.
    Uhhhh...Caesar spoke a very pure form of Classical Latin, as well as vulgar latin. Yes he spoke and was literate in Greek but almost all upper class Romans were educated in Greek. It's not like he spoke Greek as a lingua franca.

    Having said that Caesar was a sexual omnivore and he sure liked pretty Greek boys. Pretty like Watermark does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Too little, too late, but, so so glad that Caesar got fucking stabbed like that. If that could have previously happened to Marius and Sulla, things might have worked-out better.
    Not if you're referring to the end of the Republic. You seem to have some pretty anachronistic views about the Roman Republic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 days View Post
    caesar ruled. The senators were the deep state oligarchs of the day. Hail caesar.
    Meh...can't agree with that completely either. To have a "Deep State" you need an entrenched bureaucracy and the Roman Republic did not have much in the way of a civil service. The Senate was certainly a "Good ole boy" oligarchy but there was nothing deep state about it.

    Caesar was killed because he thought he could replace a degenerate and incompetent Republic, that was created to govern a small city State and not an international empire, with a centralized autocratic government without the consent of the Roman political class. He misjudged the Roman political class and it cost him his life. Octavian didn't make the same mistake. Though the Principate was certainly an autocracy Octavian dressed it in the customs and traditions and institutions of the Republic even though in reality Octavian/Augustus had all the power. This was enough though to appease the political class and Augustus ruled till he was an old man and died in his bed of old age and natural causes. Something that rarely happened to Roman Emperors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Not if you're referring to the end of the Republic. You seem to have some pretty anachronistic views about the Roman Republic.
    Marius and Sulla caused damage on a far greater scale than the Grachi, the assassins (of Tiberius Gracchus), or the First Triumverate.

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