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    Default What Trumpís Syria Debacle Means for ISIS

    The chaos in the Middle East helps terrorists in more ways than one


    To many counterterrorism experts, it has often seemed that President Donald Trump had an unerring instinct for bad policy. Blanket support for repressive dictators, Islamophobic language and the Muslim immigration ban, which alienated the Muslim Americans law enforcement depends on and encouraged white supremacists, a refusal to invest in programs to blunt extremism—what more damage could he do?

    Few, however, imagined that he might just give ISIS the enormous boost of the Syria debacle.

    Just months after the last scraps of ISIS’ Caliphate were wrested from the organization, northern Syria has been plunged into chaos thanks to Trump’s abrupt removal of U.S. troops from the region. Trump, a man addicted to superlatives, can now safely boast of having squandered a hard-fought military victory faster than anyone in history.

    According to U.S. officials, many of the Syrian Kurdish soldiers guarding the prisons have been departing either to fight the Turks or simply escape the onslaught, leaving minimal or no security. At some facilities detainees are rioting. Scattered reports have been received of escapes, with official estimates of those who’ve gotten out rising to more than 100. (Accounts of larger numbers of escapees have come from camps where families of fighters are being held.) Officials also worry that their ability to get news from the Kurdish SDF or Syrian Democratic Forces, fighters guarding the prisons is diminishing fast. As has been widely reported, the U.S. military was unable to relocate 50 “HVIs” (High Value Individuals), the most dangerous of the terrorists, in the chaos.

    Numbers of militants are one measure of a terrorist group’s strength, but morale matters as well, and the Trump drawdown in Syria is a godsend for ISIS’ spirits. It’s not just that fighters in the field and supporters around the globe will be heartened by the possible return of the detainees; it’s also confirmation of the stories that jihadists tell themselves about their struggle.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-kurds-229860
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    For all his faults Trump hasn't caused hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq, Syria and Libya. However Shrillary Clinton and Obama managed to do that and more, but yeh Obama was charming. I am sure the dead in those countries would appreciate that at least!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
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    For all his faults Trump hasn't caused hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq, Syria and Libya. However Shrillary Clinton and Obama managed to do that and more, but yeh Obama was charming. I am sure the dead in those countries would appreciate that at least!
    I would imagine neither Hillary nor Obama would win many popularity contests in the region.

    The over the top reaction to Trump’s action in Syria is driven by a combination of sheer partisan politics coupled with the usual warmongers that have been around for decades. That’s why you see this unseemly coupling between people like Karl Rove and sundry lefties.

    The dirty little political secret is that Trump *isn’t* vulnerable on foreign policy and there’s an important election coming up: Trump hasn’t invaded anyone, to put it simply. And that’s exactly how low the bar has been set by Trump’s immediate predecessors: simply don’t pointlessly topple a secular Middle eastern despot and you will be the best foreign policy president in a decade. Just don’t do THAT, and you will come out ahead.

    Think about that.

    So, the democrats and their media propaganda arm have to make this The Mother of All Foreign Policy Missteps even if it means kissing Karl Rove on the lips. They don’t care about the Kurds [nobody does, really]—it’s all about the upcoming election. That is why one major outlet was caught using footage from a gun range in Kentucky for their pro-war propaganda.

    The other thing that drives it is the ‘military industrial complex’ and their host of bought and paid for Congress critters. The MIC is a real thing: Eisenhower was right, after all. There are ‘interested parties’ in this war game stuff; they are multi-billion dollar corporations with stockholders and along with the ideologues in the Pentagon and State Department—-Trump is on the wrong side of all of them.

    But it’s been said you can judge a man by his enemies.
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    The dirty little political secret is that Trump *isn’t* vulnerable on foreign policy and there’s an important election coming up: Trump hasn’t invaded anyone, to put it simply. And that’s exactly how low the bar has been set by Trump’s immediate predecessors: simply don’t pointlessly topple a secular Middle eastern despot and you will be the best foreign policy president in a decade. Just don’t do THAT, and you will come out ahead.
    that was a totally awesome post of the year Darth.

    You covered the conspiratorial approach of the media amping up for the Dems.
    and the militarily & political interested parties that push out that "maintaining a Presence" = perpetual war

    Kissing Karl Rove on the lips!! *ewe* lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    that was a totally awesome post of the year Darth.

    You covered the conspiratorial approach of the media amping up for the Dems.
    and the militarily & political interested parties that push out that "maintaining a Presence" = perpetual war

    Kissing Karl Rove on the lips!! *ewe* lol
    Well, they are in a metaphorical lip-lock over this lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, they are in a metaphorical lip-lock over this lol.

    I try not think about it—but it is what it is.
    neocon & Dems -who would have thunk it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I would imagine neither Hillary nor Obama would win many popularity contests in the region.

    The over the top reaction to Trump’s action in Syria is driven by a combination of sheer partisan politics coupled with the usual warmongers that have been around for decades. That’s why you see this unseemly coupling between people like Karl Rove and sundry lefties.

    The dirty little political secret is that Trump *isn’t* vulnerable on foreign policy and there’s an important election coming up: Trump hasn’t invaded anyone, to put it simply. And that’s exactly how low the bar has been set by Trump’s immediate predecessors: simply don’t pointlessly topple a secular Middle eastern despot and you will be the best foreign policy president in a decade. Just don’t do THAT, and you will come out ahead.

    Think about that.

    So, the democrats and their media propaganda arm have to make this The Mother of All Foreign Policy Missteps even if it means kissing Karl Rove on the lips. They don’t care about the Kurds [nobody does, really]—it’s all about the upcoming election. That is why one major outlet was caught using footage from a gun range in Kentucky for their pro-war propaganda.

    The other thing that drives it is the ‘military industrial complex’ and their host of bought and paid for Congress critters. The MIC is a real thing: Eisenhower was right, after all. There are ‘interested parties’ in this war game stuff; they are multi-billion dollar corporations with stockholders and along with the ideologues in the Pentagon and State Department—-Trump is on the wrong side of all of them.

    But it’s been said you can judge a man by his enemies.
    I don't agree with Trump on the Kurds but I am totally dismayed by the sheer hypocrisy of the so-called Progressives on here, they truly make me want to vomit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    neocon & Dems -who would have thunk it?
    The American troops were not engaged in a war or battles. They were there to help keep a very fragile balance of order and relative peace in the area. Why are you lying? Or are you that much in the dark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The American troops were not engaged in a war or battles. They were there to help keep a very fragile balance of order and relative peace in the area. Why are you lying? Or are you that much in the dark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Thank you Cadet Bone Spurs!!!
    What HORSESHIT. THIS IS WHAT PRES.TRUMP HAS MEANT TO ISIS:







    ISIS is reduced to "CELLS", as their "caliphate" has been OBLITERATED UNDER PRES.TRUMP....while it EXPANDED RAPIDLY UNDER PRES.MOMMY PANTS...GET THE DIFF'?

    WHY DO YOU WANT THE US IN THE MIDDLE OF SYRIA'S CIVIL WAR?????
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