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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post


    secret hearings / secret transcripts ( except cherry picked leaks) and no due process.

    And please don't post such horseshit that "this is just a inquiry" - it's functioning as an impeachment hearing
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    hold the vote, give process and transparency to the American people


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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    so you got nothing,,duly noted
    Nothing is better than the screwball lies and propaganda that you've got.

    If what the House Democrats are doing is in any way illegal or unconstitutional, why isn't Trump or his sycophants in the GOP challenging the proceedings in court?

    Why isn't the SCOTUS taking up the case, given the magnitude of the issue?

    The answer is easy... there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about it. You and the rest of Trump's legion of right-wing tools, fools, goons, trolls, willing dupes and apologists, are doing what you always do... muddying the water by deflecting attention away from Trump's own highly questionable and highly suspect activities by concocting, inventing and waving around all manner of false flags which, upon closer inspection, are as artificial and transparent as plastic wrap.

    You are truly disgusting and pitiable human beings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Indeed...in secret, behind closed doors. No due process, no confronting his accusers.
    Let's try this again, stupid fuck.

    Since it is not a criminal matter in the House impeachment process, there is no such thing as due process. Why can't you idiots get that through your thick skulls?

    When actual impeachment occurs, idiot, and matters are transferred to the Senate, you'll get to see every fucking document.

    I've never seen a more stupid bunch of morons than you RW idiots when it comes to this subject. Or actually, any subject.

    Sad bunch of clowns

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    The Democratic House wants to deny President Trump anything resembling due process.
    It seems to view its role as akin to a grand jury with the Senate acting as a regular jury.
    A suspected criminal has very few rights before the grand jury. His opportunity for due process is afforded at the trial stage.

    This model has very little to recommend it, either by way of precedent or common sense, in the impeachment context. The two modern impeachment proceedings — of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton — weren’t handled this way. In both instances, the House adopted procedures that afforded the president due process.

    The procedures approved by the Judiciary Committee for the Nixon and Clinton impeachments stated “[t]he President’s counsel may question any witness called before the Committee.”
    President Clinton’s attorney questioned Ken Starr when he appeared before the Judiciary Committee and President Nixon’s attorney questioned each of the nine witnesses that appeared before the Judiciary Committee.

    The procedures approved by the Judiciary Committee for the Nixon and Clinton impeachments stated “[t]he President and his counsel shall be invited to attend all hearings, including any held in executive session.”
    President Clinton’s attorneys were allowed to call and question 14 expert witnesses before the Judiciary Committee.

    Finally, it’s my understanding that in every prior presidential impeachment inquiry in American history, the full House voted to authorize the inquiry.

    Our Founders knew the problems of this rule by tyranny of the majority and it is why they designed a Constitution to minimize its impacts everywhere they could foresee it as a problem. As John Adams wrote, democracy unchecked by rules to protect the minority produces naught but “fraud, violence and cruelty.” Alexander Hamilton wrote of it that its “very character” is “tyranny,” its very “figure deformity.” And as Madison wrote, “A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party.” Marvin Simkin, writing in the Los Angeles Times in 1992, gave those sentiments a more modern cast:

    Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.

    More openly than ever before in our Nation’s history, progressives desire pure democracy — at least so long as they hold a numerical majority by fair means or foul — for this country.
    We are seeing it at the micro level in this impeachment proceeding, but we are seeing it at the macro level in everything else progressives do.
    Whenever they achieve a majority, then they want the rules changed to a pure democracy so they can exercise unfettered power.
    And with those rule changes come such things as Court packing, so that they will tie the hands of non-progressives and always rule over this country, even when out of the majority.

    Our system of government is designed to respect the will of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority and the individual.
    It is why our government is designed as a Republic rather than a democracy.
    In the legal sense, “due process” exists to insure that the individual does not unfairly become the victim of the passions of someone cloaked in the power of government.
    In the political sense, “checks and balances” exist to insure that, while the majority will is respected, the rights of the minority party are protected.
    Are all of those to be tossed out now
    , sacrificed on the progressive altar of “orange man bad” and the belief that only progressives have an inherent and moral right to rule over the rest of us?
    Whine whine and whine some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post


    secret hearings / secret transcripts ( except cherry picked leaks) and no due process.

    And please don't post such horseshit that "this is just a inquiry" - it's functioning as an impeachment hearing
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    hold the vote, give process and transparency to the American people
    From what I can see, you seem to feel that Trump has got a God given right to break whatever laws he wants to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    From what I can see, you seem to feel that Trump has got a God given right to break whatever laws he wants to.
    Well, Schiff is down in the cellar with a flashlight looking for a Trump crime lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, Schiff down in the cellar with a flashlight looking for a Trump crime lol.
    What about the people who have testified???? They have produced very serious testimony against Trump; are they liars?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post


    secret hearings / secret transcripts ( except cherry picked leaks) and no due process.

    And please don't post such horseshit that "this is just a inquiry" - it's functioning as an impeachment hearing
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    hold the vote, give process and transparency to the American people
    I used the praise "Star Chamber" a couple of days ago and now you're picking it up! Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Yup, Pelosi just flipped the page.

    From now on, presidents will get elected only to see if they can survive the ensuing ‘inquiry’. Which is EXACTLY what the founders didn’t want to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    They aren't hearings. They're taking depositions.

    From WSJ...

    Democrats counter that the inquiry, which is being conducted by three House committees, is in its early, fact-finding stage. They point to previous House investigations that have had closed-door depositions and said they intended to make the testimonies public.

    The depositions are taking place in a secure area in the basement of the U.S. Capitol building. Mr. Schiff, who is leading the inquiry, along with the leaders of the Foreign Affairs and Oversight panels, said Wednesday the reason for the closed-door interviews was to prevent witnesses coordinating their testimony to line up a description of events.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-...gs-11571423200
    An impeachment inquiry is supposed to start in the Judiciary Committee. This Shifty operation is nothing but a "Drumhead Trial." If you don't know that term look it up. What Shifty is doing is 100% illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    You fucking idiot. look at precedence. Nixon was the only removal because he was a crook.
    He and Clinton got due Process in the House from the Judiciary committee -where is Nadler?

    Why is Schiff allowed to hide documents,leak parts of transcripts and control witnesses and subpoena?
    How can anyone call this remotely fair? Schiff is running a Star Chamber!

    Again all this noise about abuse of power is NOT an indictable offense, or impeachment would be common.
    (and the Dems are insuring here it will become just that)

    It's a fail safe, since the people are true arbitors of whom are in power, there is not even a crime here to investigate yet Schiff is taking depository testimony?? WTF??
    Cocksucker, the Constitution says nothing about process when it comes to impeachment. They can take whatever process they wish, no matter how much you whine and cry about it.

    No matter how much you remain ignorant of this fact:

    There is no right to due process in a House impeachment process. Not a difficult concept, except for you willfully ignorant clowns

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...house-impeach/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Tucker View Post
    An impeachment inquiry is supposed to start in the Judiciary Committee. This Shifty operation is nothing but a "Drumhead Trial." If you don't know that term look it up. What Shifty is doing is 100% illegal.
    Think the Starr comm. was not done this way? I know, legal if righty does it .illegal if Dems do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Cocksucker, the Constitution says nothing about process when it comes to impeachment. They can take whatever process they wish, no matter how much you whine and cry about it.

    No matter how much you remain ignorant of this fact:

    There is no right to due process in a House impeachment process. Not a difficult concept, except for you willfully ignorant clowns

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...house-impeach/
    yes there is you moron. why do you think the other impeachments has due process?
    just for fun?
    It's recognized this is a most weighty effort by the House.

    Why the full House votes before starting proecedings
    Why the POTUS has due process

    Nancy doesn't give a damn about due process or passing trade agreements or anything else.
    All she cares about is feeding her member's TDS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Tucker View Post
    I used the praise "Star Chamber" a couple of days ago and now you're picking it up! Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!
    keep using it. It's the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Let's try this again, stupid fuck.

    Since it is not a criminal matter in the House impeachment process, there is no such thing as due process. Why can't you idiots get that through your thick skulls?

    When actual impeachment occurs, idiot, and matters are transferred to the Senate, you'll get to see every fucking document.

    I've never seen a more stupid bunch of morons than you RW idiots when it comes to this subject. Or actually, any subject.

    Sad bunch of clowns
    Impeachment depends on High Crimes and misdemeanors
    It's based on removal for a crime. you keep ignoring the text! lol

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