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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    It's standing, all right.
    You haven't even bothered to address anything I've said.

    All you've done is offer up unverifiable personal anecdotes in support of your bullshit belief system, in absence of a coherent argument.

    Then you get all whiny and bitchy because I refuse to accept the obviously fake personal backstory you've given your message board character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Not impressed because it says nothing about the fields of employment. There are plenty of kids with bachelors degrees that are working in retail.
    But they're working and eventually, they will not be working in retail much longer.

    Who graduates and gets a full-time, salaried position in the industry they studied? No one I know. Everyone had to start off at the bottom; even doing temp work. The point is that when trying to find that work, it is much easier for someone with a college degree than someone without, right? Many employers won't even look at your resume if you don't have a college degree.

    What industry are people without college degrees going into?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I don't oppose education. I oppose 'free' education just for the sake of a degree that will ultimately be worthless in the job market.
    But it's not worthless! That's the thing. Employers won't even look at your resume if you don't have a college degree. The unemployment rate for Bachelor's grads is below the national unemployment rate, and it's not even close.

    And you're leaning on your subjective view of the worth of certain degree programs, but what you're ignoring is the fact that college degrees aren't about just the degrees...they're also about all the intangibles that go into getting a college degree, and how honing and developing those skills, as your brain develops at the same pace, makes you eminently more employable than someone without those intangibles.


    No. I don't think it's important to know who invented antibiotics in order to be a good nurse.
    Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

    This kind of laziness is not something I tolerate.

    If you don't know about the thing you are doing, then you shouldn't be doing it. Period.

    Laziness and complacency is never a good excuse.

    I think you and I fundamentally disagree over the concept of the worth of education. For you, you don't seem to think it is very valuable. I'm not sure why you think that, even with all the data present that shows the more educated you are, the more likely you are to find work, and the higher your lifetime earnings, and the healthier you are.


    In fact, in every case, those who tend to excel at test taking and fail at application of knowledge
    This is bullshit, and I'm not even sure how you can measure this. This sounds like your conventional wisdom being substituted for a coherent, articulate argument.


    you get a nurse who can tell you who invented antibiotics, but ends up being incompetent on the floor.
    You're not a nurse, so you can't say this. Secondly, I don't understand why you think it's transactional; that you have to learn the history at the expense of the practice, and vice versa. Good students can do both. If your GF is incapable of that, then she shouldn't be a nurse. We rely on professionals to be professional, and that includes being knowledgeable about what you're doing. As I said before, you mocked the idea of studying the history of nursing during the civil war, BUT THE CIVIL WAR IS WHERE MOST OF OUR MODERN AMERICAN NURSING TECHNIQUES ORIGINATED. [

    So if you don't know the history, how can you innovate new and better techniques?

    I seriously shudder to think that a nurse wouldn't know about nursing.


    I don't care one iota about my nurse's GPA as much as I care about how many years she has been on the job.
    Experience doesn't necessarily translate to better outcomes. Particularly if that experience is all shit. Would you hire a baseball manager who never had a winning season in 20+ years of experience in MLB? Would you hire a business manager who had 20+ years of experience, yet the experience was losing money? Would you hire a babysitter who had 20 years of experience, if the experience was losing children? Of course not. So why wouldn't you apply those same standards to your health? Makes no sense, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I offered an anecdote about a nurse with 20 years experience on the floor who was forced to waste thousands of dollars and countless years learning about nothing of value to her job.
    Again, that is your subjective judgment being substituted for the standard. Which is what Republicans do.

    Why is it important for nurses to get continuing education? Because new techniques are innovated all the time. And what you learned 20 years ago might no longer be relevant today. But you don't know that if you're ignorant of the history. So you end up with an entitled whiner who doesn't feel like she needs to grow.

    As I said, complacency is never a good excuse for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Now that you've devolved into hysterics, I'll just agree to disagree. You're now accusing me of being a Republican because you're flat wrong on this issue?
    You're substituting your subjective opinion for a coherent argument.

    That is what Republicans do.

    You can't make an economic case against free public colleges, so you instead make an emotional one about the subjective "worth" of a degree.

    Then you argue that, instead of arguing the cold, sober economics of the policy.

    I don't care about your feelings or your subjective opinion. All I care about is whether or not the economics of the policy make sense. And from what I've seen, no case has been made against the economics of it. The only case made against it has been purely emotional.

    I didn't devolve this thread into hysterics, you did when you submitted an emotional, subjective opinion as the foundation of your position.

    I don't care about your opinion. All I care about is whether or not the economics work. And the economics of free public college work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    This post will remain unread, along with any other you make in this discussion. How dare you make the accusations that you did above.
    There is no economic argument to make against free public colleges; the only argument to make is a subjective one, which is what you did.

    I don't care about your subjective opinion.

    I don't care about what you think is fair.

    I don't care what you think personally about the value of a college degree.

    The only thing I care about is whether or not the policy makes economic sense, and it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you didn't know you had a penis in your ear until I told you about it.....
    Such a Christian response there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    really?........it is offered and people choose to pay for it......
    Because they have no other option.

    You are ignorant to what life is like without needing health insurance to get health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Right, but people switch careers all the time...so if you wanted to switch careers, shouldn't you have the ability to get education and training for that career without going into debt? That's another aspect to free college that isn't discussed; continuing education. People who got degrees 20-30 years ago, who might want to switch careers, get an advanced degree, etc. Why shouldn't they also have the option to attend a public school for free?

    There's no economic argument against it, only emotional ones.
    I've called this person out before on their republican beliefs. It's people like him who keep us from moving forward.

    I call them "The Compromise Champion". They will compromise with racism and hate to keep their privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    I've called this person out before on their republican beliefs. It's people like him who keep us from moving forward.
    I call them "The Compromise Champion". They will compromise with racism and hate to keep their privilege.
    I think you might be right about that.

    To say that you don't think you need continuing education in a customer-facing business like nursing is a YUGE warning sign that something is off.
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    Send in the Socialists and the Native American culture thief clowns.

    Never mind, they’re already here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Such a Christian response there.
    if I was an atheist I wouldn't have told you.......I would have just sat back and laughed at you......
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    Young healthy people certainly have the option to buy health insurance or not.

    Now they do, since the mandate to buy it is gone.

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    "subjective judgment being substituted for the standard. Which is what Republicans do".

    Then the rest of white America follows along.

    This should be coined. Bravo!

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