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    When Democrats say that they want to make something “free”... taxpayers should get their wallets out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Althea,



    So a new law which establishes medicare for all must also force employers who have been providing health insurance to then increase the pay of workers by the same amount the insurance was costing the company.

    Problem solved.

    We can do this.

    It's not rocket science.
    Just who will be paying for this "new" medicare for all?

    You want government imposed financial mandates on
    companies and small businesses? What about those who
    don't provide current health insurance? No raises for them?

    What about hospitals and caregivers? Will you also slam
    government mandates and restrictions on them too? You'll
    have to control costs somehow. How? Reduce research &
    development? Limit wages and care coverage? This would
    end up being a government controlled industry top to bottom.

    College for everyone...? Another government takeover? When will it end??
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Just who will be paying for this "new" medicare for all?

    You want government imposed financial mandates on
    companies and small businesses? What about those who
    don't provide current health insurance? No raises for them?

    What about hospitals and caregivers? Will you also slam
    government mandates and restrictions on them too? You'll
    have to control costs somehow. How? Reduce research &
    development? Limit wages and care coverage? This would
    end up being a government controlled industry top to bottom.

    College for everyone...? Another government takeover? When will it end??
    don't confuse them with math while they are ruining their chances at holding power in the house.

    Let them run all of these impossible promises out there in front of the American people just a year before election.
    It's like watching them walk off the cliff
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    Medicare for all means that illegals (non-citizens) could come to this country at age 65 and get Medicare for the rest of their lives without paying a dime into Medicare.
    Why aren’t they deported as the law requires?

    You can bet that if Medicare for all happens, the rules concerning time requirements for paying into Medicare will be charged for illegals.

    A financial disaster of Biblical proportions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    don't confuse them with math while they are ruining their chances at holding power in the house.

    Let them run all of these impossible promises out there in front of the American people just a year before election.
    It's like watching them walk off the cliff
    It's not just the math. It's about absolute control over all of us and the dismantling of our country
    and constitution. It's about destroying the greatest and most powerful country on earth from within.
    We, as proud Americans, cannot allow this to happen.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    It's not just the math. It's about absolute control over all of us and the dismantling of our country
    and constitution. It's about destroying the greatest and most powerful country on earth from within.
    We, as proud Americans, cannot allow this to happen.

    and we won't, as long as there are more of us than them. I think were good for another 50 years, but they're multiplying.

    Trump's wall is coming along nicely, he's fixing some really bad trade "agreements",

    he is residing over the strongest economy since the dot.com era, and he is doing it the old fashioned way, creating jobs by incentivizing capitalism. Unlike the dot.com era which just rode the technology bump.
    He has just about fixed the illegal immigration problem by making it harder to loop hole your way in, along with the physical barrier.

    It's a great time to be an American today, just a shame we have to watch this daily liberal meltdown over made up crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    I swear if they spent as much time advancing legislation,or ratifying the Trump trade agreements
    they would be better off come 2020.

    They are do nothing, slime bucket ( faux impeachment) tax happy dweebs
    If Moscow Mitch would stop subverting bills... You fucking liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    If Moscow Mitch would stop subverting bills... You fucking liar.
    did you actually say something?
    The House has been passing bills they know wont get a vote in the Senate -what good does that do?

    the TRADE AGREEMENTS REQUIRE BI_PARTISAN SUPPORT and are non-partisan legislation.
    So why won't she pass it? "orange man bad"

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    Hello Althea,

    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    One problem with that is the employer contribution to the program...app. 7% of an employee's salary.


    Self employed people pay about 11%...having to contribute the employee as well as the employer contribution.
    The self employed will be able to pay them selves more because they will no longer have to pay for insurance.

    Workers and small business people will have to pay more taxes, but again, the increase in taxes will be less than the increase in take-home pay.

    That's because Medicare is more efficient at delivering health care than the for-profit industry. The reason is simple: Medicare does not have to take huge profits, reward stock holders or pay exorbitant salaries and perks to executives. Take all of those expenses out of the operation, run the same functions for less, and pass the savings on to American citizens.
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    Another source of savings by using Medicare for all:

    Currently, medical providers have to have a team of people to file insurance claims and haggle with a team of people employed by the insurance industry to fight them and deny claims where possible.

    These two great armies of workers battle each other every day on behalf of medical providers and insurance companies; and all of that effort is wasted effort. It does nothing to provide health care. It can all go away. All of that overhead will be eliminated, producing further savings which will be passed on to American citizens.

    These great battles for the profits for billion dollar companies do not even need to happen. Make them go away, pocket the difference, pass it on to American citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    So you watched Bernie and Warren and that was all huh?

    I didn't hear anything like that from the other 12 candidates!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Althea,



    The self employed will be able to pay them selves more because they will no longer have to pay for insurance.

    Workers and small business people will have to pay more taxes, but again, the increase in taxes will be less than the increase in take-home pay.

    That's because Medicare is more efficient at delivering health care than the for-profit industry. The reason is simple: Medicare does not have to take huge profits, reward stock holders or pay exorbitant salaries and perks to executives. Take all of those expenses out of the operation, run the same functions for less, and pass the savings on to American citizens.
    “Workers and small business people will have to pay more taxes...”

    So, you want to harm the workers and small business people by raising their taxes and lowering their discretionary income.

    How kindhearted of you.

    Will you be pushing Grandma off the cliff in her wheelchair?

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    If that debate stage was representing my party at this stage in the election cycle,

    I'd be very concerned, and I'm sure you nut**bags are.

    I sense the desperation in about every post you are making in almost every thread
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    Medicare for all means that illegals (non-citizens) could come to this country at age 65 and get Medicare for the rest of their lives without paying a dime into Medicare.
    Why aren’t they deported as the law requires?

    You can bet that if Medicare for all happens, the rules concerning time requirements for paying into Medicare will be charged for illegals.

    A financial disaster of Biblical proportions.

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    3/4 of the debate stage
    these
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    are eliminated for simply not being able to count

    the others are just floundering around like beached fish
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