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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    my parents put money aside.. I worked part time. there were still merit grants and hardship grants.
    College is not a human right, or an entitlement. we can't afford it anyways.
    One reason college costs so much is the feds keep handing out more and more cash -why are the universities so rich?
    Think cost control methods instead.
    The best cost control method is to make all public colleges free...that will force private institutions to lower their rates to be more competitive with the free option offered by the State.

    I don't care if a billionaire's kid goes to free public colleges. Like they would even go to one anyway. And if a billionaire's kid went to public college, they'd get a great crash-course in what life is like for kids whose parents aren't incredibly wealthy. But really, what billionaire or millionaire would send their kid to public school? They already don't, largely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You sound like someone who never graduated college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Right, so if that's the case, you're making an argument to expand Social Security benefits because that's the only way to address this systemic issue.
    If? ... you think it's equal when a White liberal female gets 15 years of SS benefits ... and a Black male should only get 5 years????
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    You're correct, it was BigDog. Apologies for getting you two confused.

    So your last point...about the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early; I think that the eligibility age should be lowered to at least 55, and benefits should be expanded so that the monthly check is higher. I think you achieve that by removing the cap on taxable SS income. One of the main reasons for doing that would be to get older workers out of the workforce so that younger workers can move up the ladder and increase their wages. Labor elasticity is affected by retirement options...so we should be encouraging older workers to leave the labor market to create space for younger workers to advance. But older folks, half of whom don't have any retirement savings at all, have to work in order to draw a paycheck and health care. Expanding SS and implementing M4A solves those two major roadblocks to Gen X, Millennial, and Gen Z advancement; Boomers clinging to the workforce primarily for health care and retirement savings...if they can manage to save...the average amount a 55 year old has in their 401k is just $250K...you need at least a million saved to retire comfortably and not have to work at Walmart, and only half of all older workers even have retirement savings.

    A lot of great points, and ideas, but
    55 is very young with at least 20 and probably 25 or 30 years of life left x that social security check.
    I'd rather see more of a 'more jobs created' to fill the need rather than vacate jobs early to make room philosophy
    The government is watching our numbers carefully, they have moved the goal post a lot over the years, and never toward younger retirement.
    And they are not going to lower the age of retirement , ever. imo
    I think there are a lot more people than your stat indicates with a lot less than 250k saved for retirement who are at or very near retirement. I personally know
    a lot of people who have taken money out, borrowed money from and otherwise pilfered their retirement savings.
    My personal philosophy is to use your real estate property equity as the gap filler. You have to live somewhere anyway and it certainly has a bigger safer return than most investments.

    And remember my first point, SS is based on what you put into it. a person who spends his or her life in low paying jobs obviously has chosen to live in lesser means.
    And will live in lesser means after retirement also.

    I'm not saying SS is perfect or by any means a livable wage. But it is fair, is all I was saying, not racist, or catered to the privileged.

    and any attempt to reward someone equally who has not contributed equally is a move toward socialism, just as taking more of some ones money simply because they have more is also.
    We are not America because of socialism, we are who we are because of capitalism.

    And lets not forget for one second that the Champion supporter of socialism right now (The Bern) is in fact a 1%er because of capitalism.
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    Hello anatta,

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    exactly. you don't want student debt work hard for a scholarship,or find a trade ( much better then liberal arts)
    free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies

    why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again dont have kids or acquire debt you can't afford
    At what point along the school-to-prison pipeline should people make all those right choices?

    At what age, precisely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    If? ... you think it's equal when a White liberal female gets 15 years of SS benefits ... and a Black male should only get 5 years????
    I just said I didn't think it was equal. What I keep trying to get you to say is how you would address this. The fact that you don't just shows you don't really care about this, and are just trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello anatta,



    At what point along the school-to-prison pipeline should people make all those right choices?

    At what age, precisely?
    what does this imply? that's a serious question so please add thought before posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I just said I didn't think it was equal. What I keep trying to get you to say is how you would address this. The fact that you don't just shows you don't really care about this, and are just trolling.
    Attach the retirement age to racial and gender, life expectancy demographics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    free health care
    free pre-school
    free child care
    free college
    wealth tax
    wealth inequality tax
    student debt forgiveness

    a few I forget
    Indeed...send in the clowns...oh, they showed up at the Democratic debate...all of them.

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    Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work?
    you do realize the GIs did something to earn their college degree, right?......
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post

    'Exactly. you don't want student debt work hard for a scholarship,or find a trade ( much better then liberal arts)
    free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies

    why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again don't have kids or acquire debt you can't afford"

    High five, anatta.

    They want you to provide free lunches to other parents children, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you do realize the GIs did something to earn their college degree, right?......
    Thank you.

    Not many on the left acknowledge that.

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    https://www.ancestry.com › search › collections › flhg-revwarbountylandg...
    "After the Revolutionary War, the federal government awarded bounty lands to citizens and soldiers for services rendered. In its simplest form, this involved the exchange of free land for military service."

    These brave men, many of whom gave up arms and legs in battle, have earned this.

    Help with college is a way to acknowledge their sacrifice and thank them for it. Both are greatly appreciated.

    Any loons on the left want to dispute this.

    Speak right up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    No problem with free child care with proof of employment....
    Vocational education programs, for sure....they're out there...people (kids and aduts( should be taking advantage of all the opportunities....but they don't come looking for you...you actually have to go to them....
    Let's also focus on Work ethic..... 5 people called off yesterday from one of the places we work with.... because there was a "holiday"....?????
    Are those providing the care doing it for nothing? It's not free.

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