Democratic Debate

[Micawber]

free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies

why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again dont have kids or acquire debt you can't afford

Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.

The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.

Man you are just a big ball of prejudices. I don't want to pay for others' college because I had to pay for mine, and repay a few student loans,
and I did. Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work? 1/2 of everyone's dads went to college on the GI Bill and therefore families had
nice homes, cars and braces for their kids and GOOD JOBS

[anatta]

And the ease of getting a student loan has caused college education costs to skyrocket at a rate 400% greater than the rate of inflation.

exactly BD.. the feds are a cash cow that transfer insane amounts of money thru students to the universities.
It leaves the kids with YUGE debts,and the colleges floating on seas of cash.

Start putting limits on grants,and the costs will come down.
Or even put some regs on public universities and those that get fed money.

It's a bit more difficult to do, then just shoveling out boatloads of cash, but that is what is needed -cost controls

[TTQ64]

They voted for Trump because of the racism. I wish everyone would just be honest about it.

Bingo!

You win the internet today.

[anatta]

Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.

The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.

Man you are just a big ball of prejudices.

I was calling pre-K ( what can kids learn at 4? ) or free child care for all "babysitting". I was not referring to college
except in the sense free universal college will inevitably lead to featherbedding .

[Micawber]

Cypress, I'm for interest forgiveness, complete interest forgiveness might be justified, but they should at least pay back the principle, the amount of money the bank check to wrote the school.

[Micawber]

Bingo!

You win the internet today.

I think they liked his racism and his general assholeness too.
Trump just said that all Europe drives on the wrong side of the road.

Fuck he is dumb.

[TTQ64]

Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.

The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.

Man you are just a big ball of prejudices. I don't want to pay for others' college because I had to pay for mine, and repay a few student loans,
and I did. Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work? 1/2 of everyone's dads went to college on the GI Bill and therefore families had
nice homes, cars and braces for their kids and GOOD JOBS

They don't want to play for Blacks and Mexicans. They have been taught that Blacks and now Mexicans don't work or pay taxes.

[TTQ64]

I think they liked his racism and his general assholeness too.
Trump just said that all Europe drives on the wrong side of the road.

Fuck he is dumb.

Oh absolutely! They love the tell it like it is, get judge kavanugh angry, put your foot down, aggressive, violent, behavior.

They have to let us know who's boss!...………. eye roll.

[Cypress]

exactly. you don't want student debt work hard for a scholarship,or find a trade ( much better then liberal arts)
free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies

why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again dont have kids or acquire debt you can't afford

You sound like someone who never graduated college.

Anyone who supposedly goes to college to avoid work inevitably flunks out. Doesn't finish. Gives up. I think if you flunk out on the taxpayer dime, there should be some kind of accountability.

Graduating college takes commitment, perseverance, tenacity, and plain old fashioned hard work.
Anyone who graduates with a bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. have navigated unrelenting years of study and resolve, and is not somebody who was a layabout trying to avoid work.

[TTQ64]

You sound like someone who never went to college.

Anyone who supposedly goes to college to avoid work inevitably flunks out. Doesn't finish. Gives up. I think if you flunk out on the taxpayer dime, there should be some kind of accountability.

Graduating college takes commitment, perseverance, tenacity, and plain old fashioned hard work.
Anyone who graduates with a bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. have navigated unrelenting years of study and resolve, and is not somebody who was a layabout trying to avoid work.

He's talking about Black people.

In the mind of the racist white man...…...they want everything free.

[anatta]

You sound like someone who never graduated college.

Anyone who supposedly goes to college to avoid work inevitably flunks out. Doesn't finish. Gives up. I think if you flunk out on the taxpayer dime, there should be some kind of accountability.

Graduating college takes commitment, perseverance, tenacity, and plain old fashioned hard work.
Anyone who graduates with a bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. have navigated unrelenting years of study and resolve, and is not somebody who was a layabout trying to avoid work.

that would definately help . But it won't happen. there will be cries of "you can't penalize students for failing"

[Cypress]

Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.

The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.

Man you are just a big ball of prejudices. I don't want to pay for others' college because I had to pay for mine, and repay a few student loans,
and I did. Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work? 1/2 of everyone's dads went to college on the GI Bill and therefore families had
nice homes, cars and braces for their kids and GOOD JOBS

I agree with 90 percent of what I have seen you write.

In this case, I have to say that I was not born with the resentment gene.

If an 18 year old kid in the future pays less for college than me, I will not even think twice about it.

My philosophy is that as a citizen of this great nation, my obligation, in whatever small way I can, is to ensure future generations, my progeny have access to a better life than previous generations. That they should have as much opportunity as feasibly possible for self-improvement, economic justice, and an an improved quality of life.

If I had to pay a little more for college than them, that actually does not enter the equation in my mind at all.

I think knowing people who survived the GUGLAG, and who had to scrape out a living under the jack boots of communist dictators gave me some perspective I have always valued and never forgotten.

[LV426]

I don't think I did, did I?
maybe bigdog did
Social security is as fair as it can possibly be.
Everyone is on the same timeline, and the amount you get is based on the amount you paid in
what might be unfair, in fact what IS unfair is the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early

You're correct, it was BigDog. Apologies for getting you two confused.

So your last point...about the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early; I think that the eligibility age should be lowered to at least 55, and benefits should be expanded so that the monthly check is higher. I think you achieve that by removing the cap on taxable SS income. One of the main reasons for doing that would be to get older workers out of the workforce so that younger workers can move up the ladder and increase their wages. Labor elasticity is affected by retirement options...so we should be encouraging older workers to leave the labor market to create space for younger workers to advance. But older folks, half of whom don't have any retirement savings at all, have to work in order to draw a paycheck and health care. Expanding SS and implementing M4A solves those two major roadblocks to Gen X, Millennial, and Gen Z advancement; Boomers clinging to the workforce primarily for health care and retirement savings...if they can manage to save...the average amount a 55 year old has in their 401k is just $250K...you need at least a million saved to retire comfortably and not have to work at Walmart, and only half of all older workers even have retirement savings.

[LV426]

If I'm right? ... White female life expectancy is far greater than Black male life expectancy.

Right, so if that's the case, you're making an argument to expand Social Security benefits because that's the only way to address this systemic issue.

[Truth Detector]

free health care
free pre-school
free child care
free college
wealth tax
wealth inequality tax
student debt forgiveness

a few I forget

What a clown show. I had to turn it off after the first 20 minutes because it was a re-run of the stupidity we saw in the first three debates.