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    Under “Medicare for all,” 185 million people would lose their private insurance.

    Illegals (non-citizens) would be eligible for Medicare. A 65 year old illegal could violate our immigration laws, come to this country illegally and then be eligible for free health care for the rest of their lives without paying a dime into it.

    A financial disaster of Biblical proportions.

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    “In Sweden, about 650,000 who can afford it buy private insurance despite already paying $20,000 per family per year through taxes for their nationalized system, according to Insurance in Sweden 2015. And more than 250,000 Brits spend out-of-pocket cash for private care. According to the European insurance and reinsurance federation (CEA), private insurance in the EU bought by those who can afford it grew by more than 50 percent over a decade to 2010, specifically to fill the “ever growing gaps in coverage” in public health systems. Only the poor and the middle class are stuck with nationalized, single-payer health care, because only they cannot afford to circumvent that system.

    Americans should wonder why those with financial means would need to spend even more money than their already high taxes for something that is “guaranteed and free.” Unbeknownst to Americans and hidden by single-payer advocates, consistent failures of single-payer health care are well documented, proven to be inferior to the U.S. system in important objective measures of access to care and quality. As a direct consequence of explicit restrictions on specialists, surgeries, drugs and technology, single-payer systems have factually worse outcomes than the U.S. system from almost all serious diseases, including cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, stroke and heart disease. Advocates of single-payer care are disregarding established facts and ignoring decades of experience from countries with socialized medicine. Why should Americans voluntarily move toward a system proven worse than current U.S. health care?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So there's no jobs in rural America.

    And if there are no jobs, then that means there aren't people working.

    And if there aren't people working, that means they're on welfare and assistance.

    So who are the real welfare queens?
    Not what I said.

    Interesting you use the word "queens" because women, by far, take the most welfare benefits. And benefit far more than a Black man, from racist sexist Social Security.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I live in Atlanta. Nothing here is free.
    Bullshit. Even cell phones are free.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Not what I said. Interesting you use the word "queens" because women, by far, take the most welfare benefits. And benefit far more than a Black man, from racist sexist Social Security.
    Social Security is racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Bullshit. Even cell phones are free.
    I live in Atlanta. Nothing here is free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Social Security is racist?
    Yes, why don't you know this? Because you only virtue signal when it comes to Black American males.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Yes, why don't you know this? Because you only virtue signal when it comes to Black American males.
    How is Social Security racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello dukkha,

    All those things will pay for themselves
    No they won't.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    because those people, free of those burdens, will be able to participate more openly in our economy
    Free of those burdens? For me, it would be nothing but added burden. I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's healthcare, someone else's schooling, someone else's childcare, someone else's student loan debt... etc... Those people brought those things upon themselves; they should have to face the consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    instead of being held back by crushing debt to the oligarchy.
    The only "oligarchy" is the one currently ruling over Kaliphornia. And look at the complete shithole that chunk of land is becoming... I currently advocate for "kicking them out of the Union" (but more technically speaking, they have already effectively seceded from it) and building a wall around their border as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Hillary whipped Trump by 3 million votes. Trump is so repulsive that he will get creamed by any of them. 12 is still too damn many on stage. The next one will cut it down.
    The electoral college does not have 3 million members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I live in Atlanta. Nothing here is free.
    And free needle exchanges.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    How is Social Security racist?
    Just compare the life expectancy of a Black male to a White female.

    One size fits all
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Just compare the life expectancy of a Black male to a White female.
    So you think we should lower the eligibility age for SS and/or increase the amount people receive based on race and gender?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So you think we should lower the eligibility age for SS and/or increase the amount people receive based on race and gender?
    Obviously, White women benefit more than any other demographic.



    Liberal White women call that equality.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

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    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Obviously, White women benefit more than any other demographic.
    Liberal White women call that equality.
    So if you don't know, why are you talking about it?

    You say that there is a racial and gender disparity when it comes to Social Security; well, the prescription for that is to make adjustments to Social Security to make it "more fair".

    So I guess that means you're for lowering the eligibility age and expanding the program.

    Glad to see you and I agree on something, even if we don't agree on the cause or reason.
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