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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I think debt forgiveness is merited. My generation basically went to college for almost next-to-nothing. University of California at the time was about 800 bucks tuition and fees for the whole quarter. Peanuts to pay for a top tier public university.
    The millenials are being saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in debt - and thus a serf-like indentured servitude to debt for years on end. That is something us old farts did not have to deal with.
    Subsidized or free college, university, or trade school makes eminent sense to me, for a civilized 21st century nation.
    Plus it would be an economic stimulus, with an entire generation no longer having to be saddled with debt that delays things like starting a family or buying a home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Your problem is that you're a coward who is afraid of confronting the hard reality that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    The median Household income in the US is $61,000.
    According to KFF, the average worker spends $7,100 on their health care.
    $7,100/$61,000 = 12%
    Bernie's M4A plan swaps out private taxes for a flat 4% payroll tax on individuals, and a flat 7.5% tax on business income.

    So by doing some simple math...
    4% x $61,000 = $2,440

    So is $2,440 > or < $7,100?
    when talking to you I have to dumb it down about three grade levels, but here you go

    Bernies numbers don't add up, there is not enough money in his "Plan" to fund all of what he is proposing

    What Mr. Sanders said:

    “I do think it is appropriate to acknowledge that taxes will go up. They’re going to go up significantly for the wealthy and for virtually everybody, the tax increase they pay will be substantially less than what they were paying for premiums and out-of-pocket expenses.”

    This lacks evidence. Mr. Sanders’s health care plan would substantially increase the amount that the federal government spends. Estimates of its precise cost vary, but according to an estimate from the conservative Mercatus Center, which Mr. Sanders has mentioned approvingly, federal spending would need to increase by about 10 percent of the country’s gross domestic product, triple what the government spends on the military. But under Medicare for all, Americans who currently pay health insurance premiums or pay directly when they go to the doctor or pharmacy would be relieved of those costs. For most American families, that would be a substantial savings.

    But that does not mean that “virtually everybody” would end up paying less over all. Mr. Sanders has suggested various possible tax increases that could pay for this expansion, including a payroll tax that would affect workers across the economic spectrum. He has not provided enough details about the mix and magnitude of taxes for economists to measure what sorts of families would be better or worse off under Medicare for all. An Urban Institute analysis of Mr. Sanders’s health care proposal, which included more tax details, found that the proposed taxes would only pay for about half of the cost of the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    Bernies numbers don't add up, there is not enough money in his "Plan" to fund all of what he is proposing
    Show your work.


    An Urban Institute analysis of Mr. Sanders’s 2016 health care proposal, which included more tax details, found that the proposed taxes would only pay for about half of the cost of the plan.
    Show your work.
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    Hello Althea,

    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Correct. trump's mistake is his belief that he's only POTUS for those who supported him, and a vindictive ass to those who didn't.

    He tricked just enough of Bernie's supporters, coupled with a few in labor, and squeaked out an EC win. That won't happen again, because everyone knows exactly who he is now.

    They were warned in '16. Now they realize their folly.
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    And then you add in giving free education, relieving student debt, increasing the social safety nets

    and you want ME to show the numbers

    how about 10+10+10 does not equal 15

    you'll eventually catch on, but meanwhile, hey, vote for Bernie, please
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Not everything is free in liberal areas. And there's crushing poverty in red rural America. So what's your response to that?
    Non-workers flock to the Dem controlled cities because everything is free.

    Rural America is littered with ghost towns from people leaving when "the mine" dried up. Now, federal policy incentivizes them to stay, do drugs, and live off welfare after the jobs disappear, or move to liberal shitholes where they can get free needles.

    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    Mr. Sanders’s health care plan would substantially increase the amount that the federal government spends. Estimates of its precise cost vary, but according to an estimate from the conservative Mercatus Center, which Mr. Sanders has mentioned approvingly, federal spending would need to increase by about 10 percent of the country’s gross domestic product[/COLOR], triple what the government spends on the military. But under Medicare for all, Americans who currently pay health insurance premiums or pay directly when they go to the doctor or pharmacy would be relieved of those costs. For most American families, that would be a substantial savings.
    "But under Medicare for all, Americans who currently pay health insurance premiums or pay directly when they go to the doctor or pharmacy would be relieved of those costs. For most American families, that would be a substantial savings."


    But that does not mean that “virtually everybody” would end up paying less over all. Mr. Sanders has suggested various possible tax increases that could pay for this expansion, including a payroll tax that would affect workers across the economic spectrum. He has not provided enough details about the mix and magnitude of taxes for economists to measure what sorts of families would be better or worse off under Medicare for all.
    He has provided those details. Right here.


    An Urban Institute analysis of Mr. Sanders’s health care proposal, which included more tax details, found that the proposed taxes would only pay for about half of the cost of the plan.
    Except that isn't what UI said.

    So you're lying.

    What they actually said was the opposite, literally on Page 1 of their report:

    The new program would be fully tax financed.
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    I watched about 2/3rds. I thought it went well all round. Lots of good choices.
    And note nowhere on the stage was an orange maniac dumbass gameshow criminal
    analogue to be found. It's called "class" WTF happened to Republicans anyway.

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    hey

    VOTE FOR BERNIE

    don't know what else to tell you, you nut**bags are the only ones that are going to fall for his pipe dreams of pandering madness.

    you're hoping Americans will vote for socialized medicine, think about that and it's problems on its face, never mind the phony numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    And then you add in giving free education, relieving student debt, increasing the social safety nets
    Accomplished with a modest wealth tax on billionaires.


    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    and you want ME to show the numbers
    Yes, show your work. That is expected of you. If you can't meet those expectations, then we should lower our collective expectations of you.


    how about 10+10+10 does not equal 15
    You have yet to show any work here, and you lie constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Non-workers flock to the Dem controlled cities because everything is free.
    I live in Atlanta. Nothing here is free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Rural America is littered with ghost towns from people leaving when "the mine" dried up.
    So there's no jobs in rural America.

    And if there are no jobs, then that means there aren't people working.

    And if there aren't people working, that means they're on welfare and assistance.

    So who are the real welfare queens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I watched about 2/3rds. I thought it went well all round. Lots of good choices.
    And note nowhere on the stage was an orange maniac dumbass gameshow criminal
    analogue to be found. It's called "class" WTF happened to Republicans anyway.

    I took a picture of the debate stage so you can remember it forever
    print it out and make a wallet size for yourself
    you have my permission
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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    hey
    VOTE FOR BERNIE
    don't know what else to tell you, you nut**bags are the only ones that are going to fall for his pipe dreams of pandering madness.
    you're hoping Americans will vote for socialized medicine, think about that and it's problems on its face, never mind the phony numbers
    When Conservatives in the debate mirror the same criticism that anonymous internet trolls spout, you know they're bankrupt.

    Single payer health care is supported by a majority of people. More people support M4A than support Trump.
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