As U.S. Pulls Out of Syria, Russian Forces Swoop In

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

fantastic.. good news. let them solve their own problems for a change

Yeah. Let Russia be the Ones that set the tone and direction of the Future.

**Callinectes** · 10-15-2019, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

So ... why do we bother having a Military Force?

Good question. The best answer is probably NATO. But do you see how Turkey has twisted that around? A second reason would be human nature, because some asshole country is always gonna think killing innocent Americans is a short cut to paradise. Those people need to be spanked really hard and really quickly. Then we leave...we break a bunch of shit and hurt a bunch of people and we leave.

**dukkha** · 10-15-2019, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

Yeah. Let Russia be the Ones that set the tone and direction of the Future.

close.
Let Russia and Assad and Iran set the future of Syria..we have zero interests in choosing government of Syria.
It's a long held Russian client state.

Iran is there because we gave them a plane load of cash they used to fund their Quds force

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez

Good question. The best answer is probably NATO. But do you see how Turkey has twisted that around? A second reason would be human nature, because some asshole country is always gonna think killing innocent Americans is a short cut to paradise. Those people need to be spanked really hard and really quickly. Then we leave...we break a bunch of shit and hurt a bunch of people and we leave.

I guess you can see how having a NATO alliance is a Good Idea. An idea that helps support Western Values. Syrian Kurdistan supports Western Values. We should support Western Values anywhere in the World.

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

close.
Let Russia and Assad and Iran set the future of Syria..we have zero interests in choosing government of Syria.
It's a long held Russian client state.

Iran is there because we gave them a plane load of cash they used to fund their Quds force

Dukkha: "Let Russia and Assad and Iran set the future of Syria..we have zero interests in choosing government of Syria."
Jack: We have a 100% interest in supporting Western Values anywhere in the World. Syrian Kurdistan (Rojava) is a PERFECT example of who the US should be supporting. We ALL know it ... except the Followers of Trump, that seem as brain-dead on the issue as he is.

**dukkha** · 10-15-2019, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

Jack: We have a 100% interest in supporting Western Values anywhere in the World. Syrian Kurdistan (Rojava) is a PERFECT example of who the US should be supporting. We ALL know it ... except the Followers of Trump, that seem as brain-dead on the issue as he is.

appreciate you passion for the Kurds. They are noble warriors for sure.
They got sacrificed on the table of Big Power moves. shit happens -and it seems it happens all the time to the Kurds.

Start here: Turkey was frothing to go in. Erdogan is STAYING IN even with "crippling sanctions"
Do you think the US observer contingent could have dissuaded Erdogan? *no way

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

appreciate you passion for the Kurds. They are noble warriors for sure.
They got sacrificed on the table of Big Power moves. shit happens -and it seems it happens all the time to the Kurds.

Start here: Turkey was frothing to go in. Erdogan is STAYING IN even with "crippling sanctions"
Do you think the US observer contingent could have dissuaded Erdogan? *no way

American Air Power can easily dominate the skies. Turkey would end up in a 'Kill Box' if they invaded.

**dukkha** · 10-15-2019, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

American Air Power can easily dominate the skies. Turkey would end up in a 'Kill Box' if they invaded.

.. Jack just let Russia do it..they can put troops there, and they are not hostile to the Kurds
Read this https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...od_141495.html
-the Russians and Assad are moving in as a buffer - we were just a token .
Don't be mislead by the title -it's excellent . I'm putting it in APP

**anatta** · 10-15-2019, 10:40 PM

Had the U.S. refused to vacate Syrian lands on Turkey's demand, a fight would be inevitable, whether with Turkey, Damascus or both. And this nation would neither support nor sustain a new war with Turks or Syrians.

And whenever the Americans did leave, the Kurds, facing a far more powerful Turkey, were going to have to negotiate the best deal they could with Syria's Bashar Assad.

Nor was President Recep Erdogan of Turkey going to allow Syrian Kurds to roost indefinitely just across his southern border, cheek by jowl with the Turkish Kurds of the PKK that Erdogan regards as a terrorist threat to the unity and survival of his country.

It was Russia that stepped in to broker the deal whereby the Kurds stood down and let the Syrian army take over their positions and defend Syria's border regions against the Turks.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...od_141495.html

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

.. Jack just let Russia do it..they can put troops there, and they are not hostile to the Kurds
Read this https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...od_141495.html
-the Russians and Assad are moving in as a buffer - we were just a token .
Don't be mislead by the title -it's excellent . I'm putting it in APP

You support the Russians.
I support the Americans.

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by anatta

Had the U.S. refused to vacate Syrian lands on Turkey's demand, a fight would be inevitable, whether with Turkey, Damascus or both. And this nation would neither support nor sustain a new war with Turks or Syrians.

And whenever the Americans did leave, the Kurds, facing a far more powerful Turkey, were going to have to negotiate the best deal they could with Syria's Bashar Assad.

Nor was President Recep Erdogan of Turkey going to allow Syrian Kurds to roost indefinitely just across his southern border, cheek by jowl with the Turkish Kurds of the PKK that Erdogan regards as a terrorist threat to the unity and survival of his country.

It was Russia that stepped in to broker the deal whereby the Kurds stood down and let the Syrian army take over their positions and defend Syria's border regions against the Turks.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...od_141495.html

Will you be good with 'ethnic-cleansing' of Kurds INSIDE Turkey? There are more Turkish Kurds than Syrian Kurds.

**Grokmaster** · 10-15-2019, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-turk...aq-11571140687
"American withdrawal created opening for Moscow to expand its clout"

Trump needs to be removed from Command. Unfit!

We are siding with the NATO ALLY THERE, not "pulling out", Einstein.

**anatta** · 10-15-2019, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

Will you be good with 'ethnic-cleansing' of Kurds INSIDE Turkey? There are more Turkish Kurds than Syrian Kurds.

of course not. You'd have to show me where, but for ex. China has it's boot all over Asia and we more then deal with them.
When push comes to shove....

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Grokmaster

We are siding with the NATO ALLY THERE, not "pulling out", Einstein.

I don't consider Turkey a 'NATO Ally' anymore.

**Jack** · 10-15-2019, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by anatta

of course not. You'd have to show me where, but for ex. China has it's boot all over Asia and we more then deal with them.
When push comes to shove....

Anatta: "of course not."
Jack: Not good with 'ethnic-cleansing' of Kurds INSIDE Turkey, but good with 'ethnic-cleansing' of Kurds in Syria.