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    Turkey may have invaded Syria anyway even if Trump kept forces there, Brit Hume
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/turkey...me-trump-kurds
    the Fox News senior political analyst referenced Trump's weekend phone call with Erdogan,
    adding the Turkish leader effectively told the president he was sending troops in either way.

    "We don't like it, we're going in," he said, characterizing Erdogan.

    "The president was then confronted with that prospect -- and he did what we now know he did. You can make all kinds of arguments about whether he should've done that. It's not clear that if those troops had stayed there, they would've been in anything but danger."

    After the president ordered the removal of troops from the area, he received bipartisan backlash for leaving the American-aligned Kurds to fend off Turkish troops themselves.

    "It was basically a fait accompli by the time he heard about it," Hume said. "It does look so far like the kind of disastrous situation with atrocities and the rest of it that everyone had feared."

    Hume added if American forces remained, there is no reason why Erdogan wouldn't have put them in harm's way.

    "They could've been killed by Turkish forces," he said.

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    Donald Trump is right to extricate the US from Syria. American troops have no strategic reason to be in that country. If they stayed any longer they would only be sucked in deeper – if they tried to impose a sort of peace, they would be attacked by all sides. The outside world has no dog in the Turkish-Kurd fight.

    The US should get out of Syria

    Belligerent meddling is now embedded in the west’s world view.
    But just as there is rarely a good time to intervene in other people’s troubles, so there is rarely a good time to stop.
    Were there a way in which a US army could swiftly bring peace and concord to northern Syria it might be different. There is none.

    As in any intervention, narratives evolve and alliances are formed. Most foolish was the encouragement and aid offered since 2015 to rebels in the Syrian civil war fighting against Bashar al-Assad – a war which David Cameron was inexplicably eager to have the UK join.
    The two most recent presidents, Barack Obama and Trump, came to office firmly in favour of withdrawing from the region. But the US’s military-industrial complex proved too powerful for them.
    Trump has been particularly emphatic about this, but his unpredictability and aggressive rhetoric has muddied his intentions. He has played hard and soft with Iran, tried to leave Afghanistan but not dared to do so, and now leaves the Kurds in the lurch.

    When the outside world was united against Islamic State, a degree of strategic clarity was possible.
    Now Isis has, more or less, been bombed to pieces and older feuds have resurfaced. Trump has had enough.
    His desertion of the Kurds and his licence to Turkey to invade Syria must rank high in the annals of diplomatic treachery – but for realpolitik they are hard to fault.

    Thus go all interventions. In seeking to mimic the global policing role of Europe’s 19th-century empires, American foreign policy has become an angel of disaster. C
    ot is as if the defeat of the Soviets in 1989 had cheated western armies of a third world war, leaving them determined to visit one on someone else – if not communism, then Islam. If Trump manages to end this self-defeating cycle, he deserves credit.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...afghanistan-us

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Lindsey Graham, da Generals,and generalized war pigs are determined to impose "crippling sanctions" on Turkey
    over a clearing operation.

    It should be noted the Kurds chose this fight as much as Turkey, an now we are due for a shit storm
    of problems ..over Syria??

    what the fuck is wrong with us? can we ever get past the sins of interventionism?

    "Assad must go "Erdogan must go"..grow up people! and start treating our national interest as the prime directive
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    Could you possibly be any more dishonest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Turkey may have invaded Syria anyway even if Trump kept forces there, Brit Hume
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/turkey...me-trump-kurds
    the Fox News senior political analyst referenced Trump's weekend phone call with Erdogan,
    adding the Turkish leader effectively told the president he was sending troops in either way.

    "We don't like it, we're going in," he said, characterizing Erdogan.

    "The president was then confronted with that prospect -- and he did what we now know he did. You can make all kinds of arguments about whether he should've done that. It's not clear that if those troops had stayed there, they would've been in anything but danger."

    After the president ordered the removal of troops from the area, he received bipartisan backlash for leaving the American-aligned Kurds to fend off Turkish troops themselves.

    "It was basically a fait accompli by the time he heard about it," Hume said. "It does look so far like the kind of disastrous situation with atrocities and the rest of it that everyone had feared."

    Hume added if American forces remained, there is no reason why Erdogan wouldn't have put them in harm's way.

    "They could've been killed by Turkish forces," he said.
    No, you lying cunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    I know I mean for terrorists crossings, as Erdogan claims

    Of course he is an evil bastard. the USA has to deal with him and Trump and him are due to meet.

    so let me get this straight.
    we are supposed to be the only player in Syria to hold back Turkey, when Turkey has previously crossed the border on "security ops"

    and we are supposed to do this- and when it doesn't work we are supposed to apply crippling sanctions-
    AGAINST OUR OWN INTERESTS..because of.....what was it again???????
    Now you are going to play the fool?
    Fitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    When are you signing up to fight for Syria? No blood for oil
    None of us here on the Forum are going anywhere to do anything. We're here on a Political Forum giving our Opinions. I find it astonishing how many here are OK with turning our backs on our Allies the Kurds and SDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Never ever stay in a war zone you can't control -and GTFO out of them when the mission is accomplished.

    Trump fucked up. He should have been out months ago, but let events take over his decisions.
    The Warpigs will take you down if you feed them long enough
    You are the war pig.
    You are cheering the release of thousands of ISIS, which in on Trump's hands. Idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "Turkey bought Russian S-400 missiles designed to down NATO planes. For the US, that's a problem"
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/europ...ntl/index.html
    Poor Dukkha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Assad is an evil bastard too, along with Putin lol.

    ISIS are next-level evil bastards but the other three evil bastards will take care of them.

    Maybe someone can explain the compelling necessity for us to be involved with it.
    Maybe you can explain it, cunt, since you supported it until today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Poor Dukkha.
    He's like some Michael Flynn Lobbyist for Turkey. How can any American support the 'ethnic-cleansing' of our Kurdish Brothers-in-Arms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Dukkha the Doormat: "... over a clearing operation."
    Jack: Otherwise known as 'Ethnic Cleansing'.

    Dukkha the Doormat: "the Kurds chose this fight as much as Turkey"
    Jack: Do you just make shit up ?

    Dukkha the Doormat: "our national interest as the prime directive"
    Jack: Defeating ISIS was the Prime Directive. The Kurds, with our backing, accomplished that.

    Now, with YOUR support of a 'Ethnic Cleansing' campaign by Turkey, YOU have fucked ALL the gains we have made.
    He's a moron. Ask him about Libya, and he'll argue the opposite point of view.

    I can't wait for his excuses when our 1000 troops are killed because trump couldn't get them out in time.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Oddly, I don’t seem to recall the same degree of outrage [from certain parties] when that was going on.

    I don’t recall the media getting their neocon on, and clamoring for us to STAY in Iraq when Obama pulled out, in spite of the fact the consequences of that *dwarfed* whatever is going on in Syria. I don’t recall the media ‘borrowing’ footage from a gun range in Kentucky in order to ‘flesh out’ their narrative about what ISIS was doing in Iraq.

    I don’t recall democrats lambasting Obama for for ‘abandoning’ our ‘allies’ in the Iraqi army.

    What changed?
    Your memories..retard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    He's a moron. Ask him about Libya, and he'll argue the opposite point of view.

    I can't wait for his excuses when our 1000 troops are killed because trump couldn't get them out in time.
    He seems like a paid Hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    When are you signing up to fight for Syria? No blood for oil
    When are you? Prick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Maybe you can explain it, cunt, since you supported it until today.
    I was supported our actions in Syria—up until, the military *objective* was achieved.
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