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    Default Manufactured Crisis with Turkey

    Lindsey Graham, da Generals,and generalized war pigs are determined to impose "crippling sanctions" on Turkey
    over a clearing operation.

    It should be noted the Kurds chose this fight as much as Turkey, an now we are due for a shit storm
    of problems ..over Syria??

    what the fuck is wrong with us? can we ever get past the sins of interventionism?

    "Assad must go "Erdogan must go"..grow up people! and start treating our national interest as the prime directive
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    Turkey is a NATO partner, Syria is a long time Russian client state. which is more important to the USA?
    Russia has a heavy presence in Syria they bombed ISIS (among other things like hospitals)
    Russia /Iran can certainly stop any "ISIS reconstitution".. we have 0 reasons to be in Syria .

    Enough of the interventionism! Did we not learn from Afghanistan/Libya/Iraq? now we are going to apply
    "crippling sanctions" and completely destroy US-Turkish relations/trade [ including access to İncirlik air base!! ]

    It should be noted the Kurds were warned to leave, and chose to fight. The war-hawks take us down the road
    of Bad Outcomes once again!. why are we supposed to defend the YPG/PKK

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Turkey is a NATO partner, Syria is a long time Russian client state. which is more important to the USA?
    Russia has a heavy presence in Syria they bombed ISIS (among other things like hospitals)
    Russia /Iran can certainly stop any "ISIS reconstitution".. we have 0 reasons to be in Syria .

    Enough of the interventionism! Did we not learn from Afghanistan/Libya/Iraq? now we are going to apply
    "crippling sanctions" and completely destroy US-Turkish relations/trade [ including access to İncirlik air base!! ]

    It should be noted the Kurds were warned to leave, and chose to fight. The war-hawks take us down the road
    of Bad Outcomes once again!. why are we supposed to defend the YPG/PKK
    Dukkha the Doormat: "Turkey is a NATO partner, Syria is a long time Russian client state. which is more important to the USA?"
    Jack: Turkey is buying Weapon Systems from Russia, that is NOT what 'NATO partners' do.

    Dukkha the Doormat: "It should be noted the Kurds were warned to leave, and chose to fight. "
    Jack: Warned to leave their Homeland ... by a neighboring country?

    Dukkha the Doormat: "why are we supposed to defend the YPG/PKK"
    Jack: Why do you deliberately conflate these two groups? Is it to add confusion and distort the Truth?


    YPG:
    "The People's Protection Units or People's Defense Units (Kurdish: یەکینەکانی پاراستنی گەل‎, romanized: Yekîneyên Parastina Gel pronounced [jɛkiːnɛjeːn pɑːɾɑːstɯnɑː ɡɛl], Arabic: وحدات حماية الشعب‎, Classical Syriac: ܚܕܝ̈ܘܬܐ ܕܣܘܬܪܐ ܕܥܡܐ‎, romanized: Ḥdoywotho d'Sutoro d'Amo; YPG) is a mainly-Kurdish group in Syria and the primary component of the Syrian Democratic Forces.[4][5] The YPG mostly consists of ethnic Kurds, but also includes Arabs, foreign volunteers; it is closely allied to the Syriac Military Council, a militia of Assyrians. The YPG was formed in 2004 as the armed wing of the Kurdish leftist Democratic Union Party. It expanded rapidly in the Syrian Civil War and came to predominate over other armed Kurdish groups. A sister group, the Women's Protection Units (YPJ), fights alongside them. The YPG is active in Northern and Eastern Syria."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People...otection_Units

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Dukkha the Doormat: "Turkey is a NATO partner, Syria is a long time Russian client state. which is more important to the USA?"
    Jack: Turkey is buying Weapon Systems from Russia, that is NOT what 'NATO partners' do.
    which "weapons" Jack?
    the S-300 is a better system. Obama screwed the deal up by not initially not letting Turkey buy Patriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Dukkha the Doormat: "It should be noted the Kurds were warned to leave, and chose to fight. "
    Jack: Warned to leave their Homeland ... by a neighboring country?
    they have no state.
    their homeland is scatted why did they decide to stay along the Turkish border after warnings, and prior op?

    Answer: because they wanted to fight for the territorial gains from ISIS, which are up against Turkey who does
    rightfully want the kurds unable to cross into Turkey.

    Turkey protects its borders, unlike the USA that depends on Mexican troops for enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Dukkha the Doormat: "why are we supposed to defend the YPG/PKK"
    Jack: Why do you deliberately conflate these two groups? Is it to add confusion and distort the Truth?
    Because I'm not 100% sure which are are on the ground in Turkey - I think it's the YPG.
    Since you brought it up what's the difference ? whom are there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    which "weapons" Jack?
    the S-300 is a better system. Obama screwed the deal up by not initially not letting Turkey buy Patriots

    they have no state.
    their homeland is scatted why did they decide to stay along the Turkish border after warnings, and prior op?

    Answer: because they wanted to fight for the territorial gains from ISIS, which are up against Turkey who does
    rightfully want the kurds unable to cross into Turkey.

    Turkey protects its borders, unlike the USA that depends on Mexican troops for enforcement

    Because I'm not 100% sure which are are on the ground in Turkey - I think it's the YPG.
    Since you brought it up what's the difference ? whom are there?
    Turkey has a heavily guarded barrier along its border with Syria. I told you that Erdogan couldn't be trusted, the man is truly evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Turkey has a heavily guarded barrier along its border with Syria. I told you that Erdogan couldn't be trusted, the man is truly evil.
    I know I mean for terrorists crossings, as Erdogan claims

    Of course he is an evil bastard. the USA has to deal with him and Trump and him are due to meet.

    so let me get this straight.
    we are supposed to be the only player in Syria to hold back Turkey, when Turkey has previously crossed the border on "security ops"

    and we are supposed to do this- and when it doesn't work we are supposed to apply crippling sanctions-
    AGAINST OUR OWN INTERESTS..because of.....what was it again???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Turkey has a heavily guarded barrier along its border with Syria. I told you that Erdogan couldn't be trusted, the man is truly evil.
    Assad is an evil bastard too, along with Putin lol.

    ISIS are next-level evil bastards but the other three evil bastards will take care of them.

    Maybe someone can explain the compelling necessity for us to be involved with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    which "weapons" Jack?
    the S-300 is a better system. Obama screwed the deal up by not initially not letting Turkey buy Patriots

    they have no state.
    their homeland is scatted why did they decide to stay along the Turkish border after warnings, and prior op?

    Answer: because they wanted to fight for the territorial gains from ISIS, which are up against Turkey who does
    rightfully want the kurds unable to cross into Turkey.

    Turkey protects its borders, unlike the USA that depends on Mexican troops for enforcement

    Because I'm not 100% sure which are are on the ground in Turkey - I think it's the YPG.
    Since you brought it up what's the difference ? whom are there?
    "Turkey bought Russian S-400 missiles designed to down NATO planes. For the US, that's a problem"
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/europ...ntl/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "Turkey bought Russian S-400 missiles designed to down NATO planes. For the US, that's a problem"
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/europ...ntl/index.html
    Poor Dukkha.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Lindsey Graham, da Generals,and generalized war pigs are determined to impose "crippling sanctions" on Turkey
    over a clearing operation.

    It should be noted the Kurds chose this fight as much as Turkey, an now we are due for a shit storm
    of problems ..over Syria??

    what the fuck is wrong with us? can we ever get past the sins of interventionism?

    "Assad must go "Erdogan must go"..grow up people! and start treating our national interest as the prime directive
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    *source -rant*
    Dukkha the Doormat: "... over a clearing operation."
    Jack: Otherwise known as 'Ethnic Cleansing'.

    Dukkha the Doormat: "the Kurds chose this fight as much as Turkey"
    Jack: Do you just make shit up ?

    Dukkha the Doormat: "our national interest as the prime directive"
    Jack: Defeating ISIS was the Prime Directive. The Kurds, with our backing, accomplished that.

    Now, with YOUR support of a 'Ethnic Cleansing' campaign by Turkey, YOU have fucked ALL the gains we have made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Dukkha the Doormat: "... over a clearing operation."
    Jack: Otherwise known as 'Ethnic Cleansing'.

    Dukkha the Doormat: "the Kurds chose this fight as much as Turkey"
    Jack: Do you just make shit up ?

    Dukkha the Doormat: "our national interest as the prime directive"
    Jack: Defeating ISIS was the Prime Directive. The Kurds, with our backing, accomplished that.

    Now, with YOUR support of a 'Ethnic Cleansing' campaign by Turkey, YOU have fucked ALL the gains we have made.
    The U.S. Is Now Betraying the Kurds for the Eighth Time
    https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/...rump-betrayal/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The U.S. Is Now Betraying the Kurds for the Eighth Time
    https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/...rump-betrayal/
    Try telling that to Dukkha the Doormat. I'm beginning to think Dukkha is a paid stooge for Turkey, like Michael Flynn.

    "A foreign client paying retired Gen. Michael Flynn more than $500,000 to mount a campaign to advance Turkish government interests during the 2016 presidential campaign explicitly complained to a Flynn aide that then-candidate Donald Trump was not being supportive enough, newly released documents show."
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...bbying-1349054

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Try telling that to Dukkha the Doormat. I'm beginning to think Dukkha is a paid stooge for Turkey, like Michael Flynn.

    "A foreign client paying retired Gen. Michael Flynn more than $500,000 to mount a campaign to advance Turkish government interests during the 2016 presidential campaign explicitly complained to a Flynn aide that then-candidate Donald Trump was not being supportive enough, newly released documents show."
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...bbying-1349054
    IMO, most who still support this turd are paid trolls...Russian or otherwise.

    From your link...

    The memo was obtained during special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and has now become part of the criminal case against former Flynn business partner Bijan Rafiekian, who was indicted last December for acting as an unregistered agent for Turkey in the U.S. and a related conspiracy charge.
    I have been saying that I believe Mueller knew it was just a matter of time before the shit hit the fan from evidence he was seeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    IMO, most who still support this turd are paid trolls...Russian or otherwise.
    Wouldn't surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    IMO, most who still support this turd are paid trolls...Russian or otherwise.

    From your link...



    I have been saying that I believe Mueller knew it was just a matter of time before the shit hit the fan from evidence he was seeing.
    I will enjoy seeing your head literally explode when Trump is reelected, although I very much doubt if you'll still be around.

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