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    I love these warpigs!! when can we leave Syria to Syria and the regional players to deal with?? NEVER!
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...ssure-on-syria

    Notice this CRAP about "reconstitution"- conflating it to ISIS in Iraq or AQI or whatever.
    ISIS grew because Baghdadi pushed for it, and because only the Iraqi goverment destroyed the army and was alone agaisnt AQI..

    Reconstitution is BULLSHIT -it can't happen with Iran and Russia in Syria ( unlike Iraq) -they are not going to allow any caliphate to grow
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    Mattis warned that the region was in "disarray" due to the invasion of Turkish forces and withdrawal of U.S. troops, which he warned would benefit ISIS forces thought to be hiding in the region as well as those already detained in prison camps.

    "It’s in a situation of disarray right now," Mattis said of the northern Syria region currently besieged by Turkish forces. "Obviously, the Kurds are adapting to the Turkish attacks. And we'll have to see if they're able to maintain the fight against ISIS. It's going to have an impact. The question is, how much?"

    "I think Secretary of State [Mike] Pompeo, the intelligence services, the foreign countries that are working with us have it about right that ISIS is not defeated," Mattis continued. "We have got to keep the pressure on ISIS so they don't recover. We may want a war over. We may even declare it over."

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    these fvckwads can't seem to tell the difference between a caliphate and an insurgency!
    Wars can't ever end!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    I love these warpigs!! when can we leave Syria to Syria and the regional players to deal with?? NEVER!
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...ssure-on-syria

    Notice this CRAP about "reconstitution"- conflating it to ISIS in Iraq or AQI or whatever.
    ISIS grew because Baghdadi pushed for it, and because only the Iraqi goverment destroyed the army and was alone agaisnt AQI..

    Reconstitution is BULLSHIT -it can't happen with Iran and Russia in Syria ( unlike Iraq) -they are not going to allow any caliphate to grow
    ~~

    Mattis warned that the region was in "disarray" due to the invasion of Turkish forces and withdrawal of U.S. troops, which he warned would benefit ISIS forces thought to be hiding in the region as well as those already detained in prison camps.

    "It’s in a situation of disarray right now," Mattis said of the northern Syria region currently besieged by Turkish forces. "Obviously, the Kurds are adapting to the Turkish attacks. And we'll have to see if they're able to maintain the fight against ISIS. It's going to have an impact. The question is, how much?"

    "I think Secretary of State [Mike] Pompeo, the intelligence services, the foreign countries that are working with us have it about right that ISIS is not defeated," Mattis continued. "We have got to keep the pressure on ISIS so they don't recover. We may want a war over. We may even declare it over."

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    these fvckwads can't seem to tell the difference between a caliphate and an insurgency!
    Wars can't ever end!
    None of that, whether one is opposed or disproves of Mattis's opinion rationalizes Trump f*cking over the Kurds, and to do it via a tweet says a lot about the guy's character

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    Mad Dog Mattis is always right.
    Consider the Oyster.

    C-4 is just angry playdoh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Mad Dog Mattis is always right.
    Well Trump thought he was until Mattis had enough and booked

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    None of that, whether one is opposed or disproves of Mattis's opinion rationalizes Trump f*cking over the Kurds, and to do it via a tweet says a lot about the guy's character
    do you think you can EVER address the topic? apparently not!

    I told you before to learn logistics -Erdogan was going in no matter what Trump Tweeted or not.
    Erdogan launched his offensive within a day of Trumps pullback -Erdogan was already massed at the border for months

    So when can we leave Syria? when could we have stopped babysitting the Kurds? *never according to Mattis logic*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Mad Dog Mattis is always right.
    lol.. if you mean perpetual presence -then yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    lol.. if you mean perpetual presence -then yes
    No. I mean he is right.
    Consider the Oyster.

    C-4 is just angry playdoh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Well Trump thought he was until Mattis had enough and booked
    A few good military minds left Obama also.
    Consider the Oyster.

    C-4 is just angry playdoh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    do you think you can EVER address the topic? apparently not!

    I told you before to learn logistics -Erdogan was going in no matter what Trump Tweeted or not.
    Erdogan launched his offensive within a day of Trumps pullback -Erdogan was already massed at the border for months

    So when can we leave Syria? when could we have stopped babysitting the Kurds? *never according to Mattis logic*
    Give us proof that "Erdogan was going in no matter what Trump Tweeted or not." You keep repeating that line, which is central to your entire point, but you have yet to offer anything to validate it

    Logically, Erdogan wasn't going to do anything if Trump told him no and that Trump was not going to pull US presence out of the area. Do you really think Erdogan would start bombing knowing US soldiers were stationed near Kurd placements?

    And the alternative to f*cking over the Kurds wasn't leaving US troops there indefinitely, called diplomacy, working out a solution all sides can live with, ain't easy, takes time, but it is the way things are usually done in the world if you want to accomplish anything, notifying a loyal ally by tweet you are f*cked isn't the normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Mad Dog Mattis is always right.
    I saw what you did there.
    “I would like you to do us a favor, I would like you to find out what happened with the whole situation with Ukraine, with CrowdStrike. The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.”~verbatim, from Trump’s Perfect Call

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    So, unless there is a perpetual presence in Syria the Kurds will suffer.

    What do we shell out big bucks supporting the UN for? Why don’t they do it?

    Asking for a friend.
    “I would like you to do us a favor, I would like you to find out what happened with the whole situation with Ukraine, with CrowdStrike. The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.”~verbatim, from Trump’s Perfect Call

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Give us proof that "Erdogan was going in no matter what Trump Tweeted or not." You keep repeating that line, which is central to your entire point, but you have yet to offer anything to validate it

    Logically, Erdogan wasn't going to do anything if Trump told him no and that Trump was not going to pull US presence out of the area. Do you really think Erdogan would start bombing knowing US soldiers were stationed near Kurd placements?

    And the alternative to f*cking over the Kurds wasn't leaving US troops there indefinitely, called diplomacy, working out a solution all sides can live with, ain't easy, takes time, but it is the way things are usually done in the world if you want to accomplish anything, notifying a loyal ally by tweet you are f*cked isn't the normal
    I've answered you regarding the logistics. Erdogan was massed. He has been threatening to go in -
    all that held him back were "safe zone" negotiations -do you follow any of this?

    wars happen all the time under friendly fire -we had like 50 forward personnel .
    what they would do is make sure their position is known against friendly fire ( U.S. and Turkey)

    And the alternative to f*cking over the Kurds wasn't leaving US troops there indefinitely, called diplomacy, working out a solution all sides can live with, ain't easy, takes time, but it is the way things are usually done in the world if you want to accomplish anything, notifying a loyal ally by tweet you are f*cked isn't the normal
    what "diplomacy? Turks and the Kurds ?? you cannot be serious. This is basically a caged steel death match
    Nobody wants to do anything but fight and the 2 sides have intractable differences

    This isn't about the Turks trying to annihilate the Kurds ( don't believe the media hype)
    it's about an annihilation that only goes 2o miles into Syria ( so called buffer zone)

    The Kurds could have pulled back - they want the fight as much as the Turks, how do you solve this by diplomacy
    in a tight timeline? you can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    So, unless there is a perpetual presence in Syria the Kurds will suffer.

    What do we shell out big bucks supporting the UN for? Why don’t they do it?

    Asking for a friend.
    UN peacekeepers cannot operate in war zones -they can only go in when the war isn't on.
    Basically when there is a stalemate, or the heat of combat is low/nil

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    do you think you can EVER address the topic? apparently not!

    I told you before to learn logistics -Erdogan was going in no matter what Trump Tweeted or not.
    Erdogan launched his offensive within a day of Trumps pullback -Erdogan was already massed at the border for months

    So when can we leave Syria? when could we have stopped babysitting the Kurds? *never according to Mattis logic*
    Again I disagree with you, the US has a presence all over the Middle East. According to your logic they should pull out of Bahrain, Djibouti, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE and Qatar as well.
    In rejecting their view [Spinoza, Leibnitz and Hegel], as I shall contend that we must, we are committing ourselves to the opinion that “truth” in empirical material has a meaning different from that which it bears in logic and mathematics.”

    Bertrand Russell, “An Inquiry Into Meaning & Truth” (1940)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Again I disagree with you, the US has a presence all over the Middle East. According to your logic they should pull out of Bahrain, Djibouti, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE and Qatar as well.
    I was surprised Trump came up with the right word for perpetual presence posture.
    He said we are "policing" not acting like a combat force.

    He made a good case for getting out of the ME and getting ready for any future needs by resting and husbanding forces.
    Long & short he views war as costly bad business and unless our strategic interests are involved
    we should not be there. we can still go anywhere an kill terrorist and not get bogged down

    we have 0 strategic interest in Syria - the Russians and Iranians can control it, because they are the strong forces there

    we do have strategic interests in Turkey -not just NATO but Incirlik Air Base .
    we had a transactional relationship with the Kurds. we did well equip their army at least for them

    No more Pax Americana by policing the world.
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    to your point we have a long term strategic relationship for those you mentioned

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