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    When we mention Obama what type of emotions does this name invoke? For many Americans, Obama represents the epitome of everything that was WRONG in this nation. We know Obama has had shady contacts and shady relationships with people that were not so happy to see America still alive and well. These relationships, and other misgivings, lead me to the theme of this thread: Did Obama have Loretta Fuddy murdered? Because, you have to remember, it was Loretta Fuddy herself who came out and authenticated Obama's birth certificate. Lets go through a brief timeline before we cut to the chase. Obama has been dogged by birther allegations since his days of running for senator, as early as 2004. In 2008, before the presidential election, Obama released his short hand birth certificate. That still wasn't enough to satisfy public concern. In 2011, through cooperation with the Hawaii department of Health, Obama released his long hand, full blown birth certificate. This was authenticated and approved by none other than Loretta Fuddy, the DIRECTOR of Health for all Hawaii.

    Hypothesis:
    Loretta Fuddy was murdered on December 11th, 2013 at the behest of Obama because he knew she was the only person who could take him out. He knew that his fraud would be exposed for the whole world to see if she rolled over. Something had to be done so a devious plan was hatched in order to maintain Obama's front as an American born "patriot".

    The Accident:
    On December 11, 2013, Fuddy traveled to Kalawao County for an annual meeting with the county's Hansen's disease patients in Kalaupapa as part of her duties as both Mayor and state health director. Fuddy and other officials concluded the meeting and boarded a plane to return to Honolulu. Her plane, a Makani Kai Cessna Caravan 208B (with ONLY 3,700 hours on the clock), crashed into the Pacific Ocean off the north coast of Molokai shortly after takeoff from Kalaupapa Airport at approximately 3:30 p.m. Fuddy, who was 65 years old, eventually died from heart failure (due to hyperventilation of all things) while she and the others awaited rescue. The eight other people on the plane, who included Deputy Health Director Keith Yamamoto, Kalaupapa National Park administrator Rosa Key, and the Makani Kai pilot, survived the crash and were rescued. According to the pilot, just before he was going to pull back on the throttle to set take off power, there was an audible "noise" from the engine and the aircraft lost power. The pilot was able to make a relatively smooth landing on the surface of the ocean, shortly off the Hawaii coastline. All passengers were able to successfully evacuate the aircraft and awaited rescue near the aircraft, as it stayed afloat for nearly 25 minutes. Multiple go pros captured the moment of impact with the water and the aftermath. A passenger just happened to have two waterproof camera's and just happened to catch some amazing footage. More on that right now.

    Evidence of Frogman:
    The sequence of footage seen below was captured by one of the passengers who used two go=pros to document the aftermath of the crash. You have to keep in mind that this all happened in the space of about 4 seconds. There is clearly seen what appears to be a scuba diver, or frogman, appear from below, rise up and cup Loretta Fuddy's leg for a period of time. This frogman is then seen to disappear back under the depths of the pacific ocean, never to be seen again. It is suspected that this man injected Loretta with a poison or substance to stop her heart at this point. Take a look at the pictures for yourself. It is important to take your time here and inspect each picture in the sequence. Study each picture carefully. You have to remember, there should be NOBODY else at the scene of the accident at this time, as rescue crews had not arrived yet.

    5.jpg
    6.jpg
    7.jpg

    Full sequence of pictures can be seen here (scroll down about half way):
    https://accidentalpatriot4.wordpress...d-frightening/

    Assertion of Murder:
    So, there you have it. Loretta Fuddy is floating in her life jacket holding hands with her Assistant, Keith Yamamoto. A diver completely dressed in black surfaces momentarily for about 3 seconds and seems to be doing something to her foot or leg. My theory is that he administered some type of injection that ultimately caused Dr. Fuddy’s death. The he lets go and vanishes. The plan was not to be seen, but she may have felt something and pulled her foot away, and he had no choice but to surface to get to the foot. I have no idea why that would be so important, unless they felt that a medical examiner is less likely to see an injection site on a foot or ankle.

    Video Evidence

    Terrifying Video of Hawaiian Plane Crash From Inside the Cabin
    Dramatic footage of a small plane crash that killed one person off the coast of Hawaii last month shows the exact moment of impact and an orderly evacuation of the fuselage by passengers, who used plane debris to stay afloat as they waited to be rescued.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/harrowing-...ry?id=21484715
    (Go to the 3:30 mark to see the frogman appear from the depths)

    Cause of Death:
    An autopsy of the fatally injured passenger was conducted by Pan Pacific Pathologists, LLC, of Wailuku, Hawaii, under the authority of the Maui Police Department. The findings listed in the autopsy report included “acute cardiac arrhythmia” and “no significant traumatic injuries.” The report noted that she was observed by another passenger “to be fearful and hyperventilating shortly before losing consciousness.” According to the autopsy report, her cause of death was “acute cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation.” They cannot be serious!?

    NTSB Report of the crash:
    Cessna 208B Caravan N687MA, operated by Makani Kai Air, ditched off off Hawaii on 11 December 2013, after a sudden power loss. One passenger died in this accident (State Health Director Loretta Fuddy) and three people were seriously injured. As we reported previously, the accident and egress were filmed by passenger (Ferdinand Puentes).

    Sequence of events prior to crash:
    In a written statement, the pilot reported that shortly after takeoff from runway 05, at an altitude of about 400 feet above ground level (agl), he began a left turn for a downwind departure. Shortly after passing 500 feet agl, the pilot motioned toward the power lever to reduce power for the climb when he heard a loud “bang” followed by an immediate loss of engine power. The pilot continued the turn toward land, verified the fuel valves were on, and observed all engine gauges displaying “zero.” The pilot realized the airplane was not going to make it to land, and rolled the wings level while broadcasting a mayday distress call. Shortly after, the airplane landed within open ocean water in a flat or slightly nose up attitude.
    All the passengers and the pilot exited the airplane through the rear right door, and the airplane remained on the water surface for approximately 25 minutes before it sank. One passenger swam to shore, and United States Coast Guard and Maui Fire and Rescue helicopters recovered the pilot and 7 passengers from the water about 80 minutes after the ditching.

    Specific details on Engine failure:
    c208hi5.jpg

    Impact marks were found on the CT shroud consistent with the liberation of one or more of the CT blades. The NTSB believe the thermal damage, which precluded conclusive determination of the cause of the blades failures, was secondary and due to the engine fuel control unit increasing the fuel flow in response to the sudden loss of compressor speed when the blades failed.
    This is the actual summary of specific engine failure that supposedly occurred. Now, I am not an NTSB inspector, nor am I an engine expert. But I did study aviation in college for two years and I have studied many an NTSB report. This is by far the most convoluted wording and the strangest sequence of events I have ever come across. The NTSB believe that thermal damage, which "precluded" conclusive determination of the cause of the blades failures was "secondary" and due to the engine fuel control unit increasing the fuel flow in response to sudden loss of compressor speed when the blades failed. Say what? They are wording this so they don't have to articulate a primary cause of this engine failure. This is by far the most confusing sequence of events ever recorded in the history of the NTSB. It's clear that this "problem" with the compressor blades was "created" out of the blue to aid in the cover story, that the plane simply went down due to engine failure. The NTSB talks about thermal damage. Indicating this engine got very "hot" before it failed. What airplane engine overheats within the first two minutes of a flight? This is almost impossible to believe. These engines are VERY reliable and there NO WAY a hardened compressor blade is going to burn up on takeoff. Never, in the history of this engine, has it ever failed in this way before, like this, on takeoff. Never. Go search out examples of this type of failure with this specific engine. Guess what? You will find none because the engine NEVER fails in this way. That's because the ENGINE never failed. It was turned off mid flight and the compressor blade story is a hoax. All part of the Obama fabrication of lies department.

    NTSB Probable Cause (official findings)
    The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
    The loss of engine power due to the fracture of multiple blades on the compressor turbine wheel, which resulted in a ditching. The reason for the blade failures could not be determined due to secondary thermal damage to the blades

    Again, this is very shady. They are trying to say there is no way to determine actual cause of the engine failure because there was a secondary failure due to "heat" that destroyed any evidence of the actual cause of the engine failure in the first place. Confused yet? I know. That's exactly what the NTSB wanted. This particular engine had 3700 hours on it. This is NOTHING considering the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 is a proven engine known for its reliability well beyond 10,000 hours.

    Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 675HP Engine Specifics
    By the 40th anniversary of its maiden flight in 2001, over 36,000 PT6As had been delivered, not including the other versions. Up to October 2003, 31,606 delivered engines have flown more than 252 million hours. Till November 2015, 51,000 have been produced. The family logged 400 million flight hours from 1963 to 2016.

    The PT6 family is known for its reliability with an in-flight shutdown rate of 1 per 333,333 hours up to October 2003, 1 per 127,560 hours in 2005 in Canada, 1 per 333000 hours from 1963 to 2016, 1 per 651,126 hours over 12 months in 2016. Time between overhauls is between 3600 and 9000 hours and hot-section inspections between 1800 and 2000 hrs.

    Again, the aircraft that crashed had only 3700 hours on the clock. The odds of an actual engine failure occurring at this time and place, given the above statistics, are SLIM TO NONE. This is one of the most refined and reliable engine's in Pratt and Whitney's fleet. It has been around since 1958 and all issues have been address. There is NO WAY an engine like this would fail within two minutes of takeoff and have the cause blamed on "thermal damage" - It's impossible.

    Conclusion
    Loretta Fuddy was murdered by Obama to keep secure the assertion that he was born in the United States. Loretta was the ONLY person on the planet who could have turned on Obama and he knew he had to take her out. He used her office to authenticate a fraudulent birth certificate and to maintain a front that all was well with his birth certificate. By picking a flight that was well known ahead of time (annual meeting with the county's Hansen's disease patients in Kalaupapa) Obama set a plan in motion to eliminate his greatest threat. He used contacts in government and in the NTSB to create yet another Obama lie, that Fuddy died of natural causes while waiting in the water for rescue. If you believe that I'm guessing you also believe that Trump should be impeached. It's time to get back to reality: That's not happening and Loretta was murdered by Obama. It's stone cold murder and this is how Obama operated for most of his time in office. It's sick and it angers me to the core that he would have the audacity to take out a great American like Dr. Loretta Fuddy. So go ahead and ignore the evidence that is staring your in the face. Laugh this off as just another conspiracy theory. But sooner or later, you are going to have to confront the ugly truth of the Obama presidency, and that time is coming sooner than you might expect.


    *******By November 2015, 51,000 engines had been produced, had logged 400 million flight hours from 1963 to 2016. It is known for its reliability with an in-flight shutdown rate of 1 per 651,126 hours in 2016. One per 651,126 hours? Think about that for a second before you doubt me. This engine is the supreme portrait of reliability.

    Other findings:
    1)No specific cause was identified for engine failure
    2)No specific cause was identified for Loretta's actual death
    3)Video Evidence of a frogman grasping Loretta's leg
    4)Loretta dies minutes later while still in the water
    5)We have Loretta's MURDER ON CAMERA!
    6) Obama is guilty as sin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron-Merc View Post
    When we mention Obama what type of emotions does this name invoke? For many Americans, Obama represents the epitome of everything that was WRONG in this nation. We know Obama has had shady contacts and shady relationships with people that were not so happy to see America still alive and well. These relationships, and other misgivings, lead me to the theme of this thread: Did Obama have Loretta Fuddy murdered? Because, you have to remember, it was Loretta Fuddy herself who came out and authenticated Obama's birth certificate. Lets go through a brief timeline before we cut to the chase. Obama has been dogged by birther allegations since his days of running for senator, as early as 2004. In 2008, before the presidential election, Obama released his short hand birth certificate. That still wasn't enough to satisfy public concern. In 2011, through cooperation with the Hawaii department of Health, Obama released his long hand, full blown birth certificate. This was authenticated and approved by none other than Loretta Fuddy, the DIRECTOR of Health for all Hawaii.

    Hypothesis:
    Loretta Fuddy was murdered on December 11th, 2013 at the behest of Obama because he knew she was the only person who could take him out. He knew that his fraud would be exposed for the whole world to see if she rolled over. Something had to be done so a devious plan was hatched in order to maintain Obama's front as an American born "patriot".

    The Accident:
    On December 11, 2013, Fuddy traveled to Kalawao County for an annual meeting with the county's Hansen's disease patients in Kalaupapa as part of her duties as both Mayor and state health director. Fuddy and other officials concluded the meeting and boarded a plane to return to Honolulu. Her plane, a Makani Kai Cessna Caravan 208B (with ONLY 3,700 hours on the clock), crashed into the Pacific Ocean off the north coast of Molokai shortly after takeoff from Kalaupapa Airport at approximately 3:30 p.m. Fuddy, who was 65 years old, eventually died from heart failure (due to hyperventilation of all things) while she and the others awaited rescue. The eight other people on the plane, who included Deputy Health Director Keith Yamamoto, Kalaupapa National Park administrator Rosa Key, and the Makani Kai pilot, survived the crash and were rescued. According to the pilot, just before he was going to pull back on the throttle to set take off power, there was an audible "noise" from the engine and the aircraft lost power. The pilot was able to make a relatively smooth landing on the surface of the ocean, shortly off the Hawaii coastline. All passengers were able to successfully evacuate the aircraft and awaited rescue near the aircraft, as it stayed afloat for nearly 25 minutes. Multiple go pros captured the moment of impact with the water and the aftermath. A passenger just happened to have two waterproof camera's and just happened to catch some amazing footage. More on that right now.

    Evidence of Frogman:
    The sequence of footage seen below was captured by one of the passengers who used two go=pros to document the aftermath of the crash. You have to keep in mind that this all happened in the space of about 4 seconds. There is clearly seen what appears to be a scuba diver, or frogman, appear from below, rise up and cup Loretta Fuddy's leg for a period of time. This frogman is then seen to disappear back under the depths of the pacific ocean, never to be seen again. It is suspected that this man injected Loretta with a poison or substance to stop her heart at this point. Take a look at the pictures for yourself. It is important to take your time here and inspect each picture in the sequence. Study each picture carefully. You have to remember, there should be NOBODY else at the scene of the accident at this time, as rescue crews had not arrived yet.

    5.jpg
    6.jpg
    7.jpg

    Full sequence of pictures can be seen here (scroll down about half way):
    https://accidentalpatriot4.wordpress...d-frightening/

    Assertion of Murder:
    So, there you have it. Loretta Fuddy is floating in her life jacket holding hands with her Assistant, Keith Yamamoto. A diver completely dressed in black surfaces momentarily for about 3 seconds and seems to be doing something to her foot or leg. My theory is that he administered some type of injection that ultimately caused Dr. Fuddy’s death. The he lets go and vanishes. The plan was not to be seen, but she may have felt something and pulled her foot away, and he had no choice but to surface to get to the foot. I have no idea why that would be so important, unless they felt that a medical examiner is less likely to see an injection site on a foot or ankle.

    Video Evidence

    Terrifying Video of Hawaiian Plane Crash From Inside the Cabin
    Dramatic footage of a small plane crash that killed one person off the coast of Hawaii last month shows the exact moment of impact and an orderly evacuation of the fuselage by passengers, who used plane debris to stay afloat as they waited to be rescued.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/harrowing-...ry?id=21484715
    (Go to the 3:30 mark to see the frogman appear from the depths)

    Cause of Death:
    An autopsy of the fatally injured passenger was conducted by Pan Pacific Pathologists, LLC, of Wailuku, Hawaii, under the authority of the Maui Police Department. The findings listed in the autopsy report included “acute cardiac arrhythmia” and “no significant traumatic injuries.” The report noted that she was observed by another passenger “to be fearful and hyperventilating shortly before losing consciousness.” According to the autopsy report, her cause of death was “acute cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation.” They cannot be serious!?

    NTSB Report of the crash:
    Cessna 208B Caravan N687MA, operated by Makani Kai Air, ditched off off Hawaii on 11 December 2013, after a sudden power loss. One passenger died in this accident (State Health Director Loretta Fuddy) and three people were seriously injured. As we reported previously, the accident and egress were filmed by passenger (Ferdinand Puentes).

    Sequence of events prior to crash:
    In a written statement, the pilot reported that shortly after takeoff from runway 05, at an altitude of about 400 feet above ground level (agl), he began a left turn for a downwind departure. Shortly after passing 500 feet agl, the pilot motioned toward the power lever to reduce power for the climb when he heard a loud “bang” followed by an immediate loss of engine power. The pilot continued the turn toward land, verified the fuel valves were on, and observed all engine gauges displaying “zero.” The pilot realized the airplane was not going to make it to land, and rolled the wings level while broadcasting a mayday distress call. Shortly after, the airplane landed within open ocean water in a flat or slightly nose up attitude.
    All the passengers and the pilot exited the airplane through the rear right door, and the airplane remained on the water surface for approximately 25 minutes before it sank. One passenger swam to shore, and United States Coast Guard and Maui Fire and Rescue helicopters recovered the pilot and 7 passengers from the water about 80 minutes after the ditching.

    Specific details on Engine failure:
    c208hi5.jpg

    Impact marks were found on the CT shroud consistent with the liberation of one or more of the CT blades. The NTSB believe the thermal damage, which precluded conclusive determination of the cause of the blades failures, was secondary and due to the engine fuel control unit increasing the fuel flow in response to the sudden loss of compressor speed when the blades failed.
    This is the actual summary of specific engine failure that supposedly occurred. Now, I am not an NTSB inspector, nor am I an engine expert. But I did study aviation in college for two years and I have studied many an NTSB report. This is by far the most convoluted wording and the strangest sequence of events I have ever come across. The NTSB believe that thermal damage, which "precluded" conclusive determination of the cause of the blades failures was "secondary" and due to the engine fuel control unit increasing the fuel flow in response to sudden loss of compressor speed when the blades failed. Say what? They are wording this so they don't have to articulate a primary cause of this engine failure. This is by far the most confusing sequence of events ever recorded in the history of the NTSB. It's clear that this "problem" with the compressor blades was "created" out of the blue to aid in the cover story, that the plane simply went down due to engine failure. The NTSB talks about thermal damage. Indicating this engine got very "hot" before it failed. What airplane engine overheats within the first two minutes of a flight? This is almost impossible to believe. These engines are VERY reliable and there NO WAY a hardened compressor blade is going to burn up on takeoff. Never, in the history of this engine, has it ever failed in this way before, like this, on takeoff. Never. Go search out examples of this type of failure with this specific engine. Guess what? You will find none because the engine NEVER fails in this way. That's because the ENGINE never failed. It was turned off mid flight and the compressor blade story is a hoax. All part of the Obama fabrication of lies department.

    NTSB Probable Cause (official findings)
    The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
    The loss of engine power due to the fracture of multiple blades on the compressor turbine wheel, which resulted in a ditching. The reason for the blade failures could not be determined due to secondary thermal damage to the blades

    Again, this is very shady. They are trying to say there is no way to determine actual cause of the engine failure because there was a secondary failure due to "heat" that destroyed any evidence of the actual cause of the engine failure in the first place. Confused yet? I know. That's exactly what the NTSB wanted. This particular engine had 3700 hours on it. This is NOTHING considering the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 is a proven engine known for its reliability well beyond 10,000 hours.

    Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 675HP Engine Specifics
    By the 40th anniversary of its maiden flight in 2001, over 36,000 PT6As had been delivered, not including the other versions. Up to October 2003, 31,606 delivered engines have flown more than 252 million hours. Till November 2015, 51,000 have been produced. The family logged 400 million flight hours from 1963 to 2016.

    The PT6 family is known for its reliability with an in-flight shutdown rate of 1 per 333,333 hours up to October 2003, 1 per 127,560 hours in 2005 in Canada, 1 per 333000 hours from 1963 to 2016, 1 per 651,126 hours over 12 months in 2016. Time between overhauls is between 3600 and 9000 hours and hot-section inspections between 1800 and 2000 hrs.

    Again, the aircraft that crashed had only 3700 hours on the clock. The odds of an actual engine failure occurring at this time and place, given the above statistics, are SLIM TO NONE. This is one of the most refined and reliable engine's in Pratt and Whitney's fleet. It has been around since 1958 and all issues have been address. There is NO WAY an engine like this would fail within two minutes of takeoff and have the cause blamed on "thermal damage" - It's impossible.

    Conclusion
    Loretta Fuddy was murdered by Obama to keep secure the assertion that he was born in the United States. Loretta was the ONLY person on the planet who could have turned on Obama and he knew he had to take her out. He used her office to authenticate a fraudulent birth certificate and to maintain a front that all was well with his birth certificate. By picking a flight that was well known ahead of time (annual meeting with the county's Hansen's disease patients in Kalaupapa) Obama set a plan in motion to eliminate his greatest threat. He used contacts in government and in the NTSB to create yet another Obama lie, that Fuddy died of natural causes while waiting in the water for rescue. If you believe that I'm guessing you also believe that Trump should be impeached. It's time to get back to reality: That's not happening and Loretta was murdered by Obama. It's stone cold murder and this is how Obama operated for most of his time in office. It's sick and it angers me to the core that he would have the audacity to take out a great American like Dr. Loretta Fuddy. So go ahead and ignore the evidence that is staring your in the face. Laugh this off as just another conspiracy theory. But sooner or later, you are going to have to confront the ugly truth of the Obama presidency, and that time is coming sooner than you might expect.


    *******By November 2015, 51,000 engines had been produced, had logged 400 million flight hours from 1963 to 2016. It is known for its reliability with an in-flight shutdown rate of 1 per 651,126 hours in 2016. One per 651,126 hours? Think about that for a second before you doubt me. This engine is the supreme portrait of reliability.

    Other findings:
    1)No specific cause was identified for engine failure
    2)No specific cause was identified for Loretta's actual death
    3)Video Evidence of a frogman grasping Loretta's leg
    4)Loretta dies minutes later while still in the water
    5)We have Loretta's MURDER ON CAMERA!
    6) Obama is guilty as sin!
    Thanks for this informative post. It's incredible how much the anti-American, Kenyan born fool got away with when he was president. Of course, he was a part of and protected by the Deep State. Especially by his groomer and mentor, George Soros.

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    Im guessing you are a liberal that thought Obama was just "perfect"?
    Archives IS a bit dim, as a result of brainwashing by the lamestream media.

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    Iron-Merc: The Mysterious Death of Loretta Fuddy and Possible Obama involvement?
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    Amen!


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    Oh look, another "genius" with a hysterically funny copy-paste job!

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    [QUOTE=ThatOwlWoman;3298861]Oh look, another "genius" with a hysterically funny copy-paste job!

    Actually, the only thing I cut and paste was the
    assertion of Murder part, some of the engine specs and NTSB Report (obviously)
    Most of this authentic, I just cooked it up this morning.
    You see, us Trump supporters are full of substance and light. You, the left, are full of humor and darkness. Its all you have left when the facts don't line up (as we are seeing more and more the facts line up less and less for the liberals)
    The Trump card has been played. Your little game is up. And it's time to bring Obama's crimes into the light.

    Dare you to challenge me on the scuba diver or the engine failure.


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    Trumps hands are fine if you don't screw around with photoshop.

    At 240lb I don't think you should underestimate him in any respect. People have made that mistake before. It doesn't end well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven VanderMolen View Post
    Thanks for this informative post. It's incredible how much the anti-American, Kenyan born fool got away with when he was president. Of course, he was a part of and protected by the Deep State. Especially by his groomer and mentor, George Soros.
    This story highlights WHY it was pretty much a death wish if you went against Barry Obama publicly or if you had some dirt on him. THIS is exactly why NO ONE spoke up against the Kenyan born fool during his eight year "legacy" as president. People did not want to end up dead or "suicided". The more you read about the Loretta Fuddy case, the more you realize she WAS murdered. I meant to quote Iron-Merc, not myself. Oops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron-Merc View Post
    Trumps hands are fine if you don't screw around with photoshop.

    At 240lb I don't think you should underestimate him in any respect. People have made that mistake before. It doesn't end well.

    I didn't photoshop his tiny hands with sharpie outlines to suggest they're bigger. That was the work of a clever critic playing off trump's sharpie outline that included Alabama in a hurricane warning.



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