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    How is this possible? Didn’t we abandon the Kurds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wow, now Special Forces are part of the "deep state," it's getting richer
    to these Russian bot holes we are all the deep state

    they HATE Democracy

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    Perhaps we should “mistakenly” return the favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volsrock View Post
    Perhaps we should “mistakenly” return the favor.
    What happened to your newly-adopted anti-war stance? Slid right off in the shower, apparently.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wouldn't have been any damage if Trump hasn't abondoned the Kurds giving Turkey the green light
    facile. first of you don't know that -Erdogan is bull headed on getting the Kurds.

    I'm sure he told Trump he's going in and Trump moved them from the area.

    Trump's mistake was not leaving when he had the chance months ago -he listened to Lindsey and the generals and the warpigs instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    the Saudis you idiot
    Oh so you were referring to the Turks shelling our forces in Saudi Arabia! Just when did that happen I must have missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    SA = Saudi Arabia.

    So do you approve of Twittler withdrawing our forces from Syria? And how are they being shelled if they came home? Or are they still there, but only allowed to sit on their thumbs while they get shelled?
    I was giving the twit a hard time.

    I said all along it is a mistake pulling back and letting the Turks in. As Patton once said "I don't like paying for the same ground twice."But as to our troops being there we could play what if till the cows come home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    facile. first of you don't know that -Erdogan is bull headed on getting the Kurds.

    I'm sure he told Trump he's going in and Trump moved them from the area.

    Trump's mistake was not leaving when he had the chance months ago -he listened to Lindsey and the generals and the warpigs instead
    Neither do you know now that, and Turkey has for decades has been wanting to get the Kurds, you trying to tell us if Trump said absolutely not and maintained US forces in the area Turkey was going to go ahead anyway? Not likely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    I was giving the twit a hard time.

    I said all along it is a mistake pulling back and letting the Turks in. As Patton once said "I don't like paying for the same ground twice."But as to our troops being there we could play what if till the cows come home.
    Patton was right.

    We have the shittiest "foreign policy" possible. Most leaders consider a move and listen to advice and carefully weigh the decision. Twittler just wakes up and says "Oh fuck it, Imma do this thing!" and does it via Twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Patton was right.

    We have the shittiest "foreign policy" possible. Most leaders consider a move and listen to advice and carefully weigh the decision. Twittler just wakes up and says "Oh fuck it, Imma do this thing!" and does it via Twitter.
    I had hoped that after Vietnam we had learned to have the politicians set the objectives and let the Generals fight the war. But alas we are making the same mistakes over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    SA = Saudi Arabia.

    So do you approve of Twittler withdrawing our forces from Syria? And how are they being shelled if they came home? Or are they still there, but only allowed to sit on their thumbs while they get shelled?
    Sit on their thumbs and watch the Kurdish people they fought side by side with for 4 years being killed is more like it.
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    Senior female Kurdish political leader killed in ambush in Syria


    ERBIL (Kurdistan 24) – The Future Syria Party’s Secretary-General, Hevrin Khalaf, was killed on Saturday when Turkish-backed groups tried to take control of a point on the international M4 road.

    “With utmost grievance and sadness, the Syria Future Party mourns the martyrdom of engineer Havrin Khalaf, the General Secretary of Syria Future Party, while she was performing her patriotic and political duties,” the Future Party said in a statement.

    Khalaf was reportedly killed when a Turkish-backed group ambushed her on the road to the city of Qamishlo.

    “A group of Turkish mercenaries tried to control the M4 road and killed many people, and Hevrin was one of them,” one senior official told Kurdistan 24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Neither do you know now that, and Turkey has for decades has been wanting to get the Kurds, you trying to tell us if Trump said absolutely not and maintained US forces in the area Turkey was going to go ahead anyway? Not likely
    I KNOW that because they had been gearing up for an offensive -it takes time to position men and material at the border -
    you think they did that in one day? You seriously need to learn logistics!

    Plus if you had been paying attention you would know they already went in like 4 times in the past couple years
    Plus the only reason they waited was during the discussions of "safe zones" which recently fell thru.

    add up the "pluses" what do you get? -Turkish offensive

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    he hard truth is that the 50 US soldiers along the Syrian-Turkish border were a fake tripwire. Neither Trump nor the US military had any intention of sacrificing US forces to either block a Turkish invasion of Syria or foment deeper US involvement in the event of a Turkish invasion.

    Apparently, in the course of his phone call with Trump on Sunday, Erdoğan called Trump’s bluff. Trump’s announcement following the call made clear that the US would not sacrifice its soldiers to stop Erdoğan’s planned invasion of the border zone.

    But Trump also made clear that the US did not support the Turkish move. In subsequent statements, Trump repeatedly pledged to destroy the Turkish economy if Turkey commits atrocities against the Kurds.

    If the Pentagon can be brought on board, Trump’s threats can easily be used as a means to formally diminish the long-hollow US alliance with Turkey.

    Here it is critical to note that Trump did not remove US forces from Syria. They are still deployed along the border crossing between Jordan, Iraq, and Syria to block Iran from moving forces and materiel to Syria and Lebanon. They are still blocking Russian and Syrian forces from taking over the oil fields along the eastern bank of the Euphrates. Aside from defeating ISIS, these missions are the principle strategic achievements of the US forces in Syria. For now, they are being maintained. Will Turkey’s invasion enable ISIS to reassert itself in Syria and beyond? Perhaps. But here too, as Trump made clear this week, it is not America’s job to serve as the permanent jailor of ISIS. European forces are just as capable of serving as guards as Americans are. America’s role is not to stay in Syria forever. It is to beat down threats to US and world security as they emerge and then let others – Turks, Kurds, Europeans, Russians, UN peacekeepers – maintain the new, safer status quo.
    https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions...ray-the-kurds/

    ^ Interventionist article to the max -but this part is important

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