"White House says Turkey's Erdogan to visit Nov. 13"

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cite please?

Do you think the Kurds are going to continue to guard the prisons while their countrymen are fighting elsewhere? They will have to reallocate resources to confront the Turks, one of the reasons the Pentagon has criticized Trump's move

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9150816.html
https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-...-exit-1.602311

[anatta]

30 klicks is a very narrow incursion , Turkish foreign minister says it will take any ISIS prisoner it comes across.

I do not know where the prisoners are held, but with this narrow offensive, it should be over quickly -
and I seriously doubt any Kurds not there will try to get to the fighting zone

[Cinnabar]

He should have never been President in the first place.

Of course not. And he would not be minus his Russkie pals and dumbed-down base along with the archaic electoral college.

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"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan will visit the United States on Nov. 13 at the invitation of U.S. President Donald Trump, a White House spokesman said on Tuesday."

"Trump said Erdogan was visiting as his “guest”

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sy...-idUKKBN1WN1RW

Trump's White House is really becoming the theater of the absurd

Let me see if I got this straight, without consulting the Pentagon, Monday Trump notifies the Kurds by tweet that he is abandoning them, US's ally in fighting ISIS, warning Turkey with his "great and unmatched wisdom" that he would be the judge of too much with threats of "total destruction" and " obliteration."

Tuesday Turkey disses Trump's threats and starts bombing Kurdish positions to include villages in anticipation of an armed invasion. Consequently Kurdish soldiers start abondoning ISIS prisons to defend against Turkish advances, evolving the situation from betrayal to threatening

And Trump invites the guy to be his "guest" in the White House?

Let's just have war with the despicable guy instead of inviting him to talk.

[Darth Omar]

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan will visit the United States on Nov. 13 at the invitation of U.S. President Donald Trump, a White House spokesman said on Tuesday."

"Trump said Erdogan was visiting as his “guest”

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sy...-idUKKBN1WN1RW

Trump's White House is really becoming the theater of the absurd

Let me see if I got this straight, without consulting the Pentagon, Monday Trump notifies the Kurds by tweet that he is abandoning them, US's ally in fighting ISIS, warning Turkey with his "great and unmatched wisdom" that he would be the judge of too much with threats of "total destruction" and " obliteration."

Tuesday Turkey disses Trump's threats and starts bombing Kurdish positions to include villages in anticipation of an armed invasion. Consequently Kurdish soldiers start abondoning ISIS prisons to defend against Turkish advances, evolving the situation from betrayal to threatening

And Trump invites the guy to be his "guest" in the White House?

I’m no fan of Turkey but they ARE a NATO country.

Wait, doesn’t that make them our allies lol? The Kurds are our allies to whatever extent we were useful to them in occupying the territory they endeavored to make Kurdistan. We’re we supposed to help them?

Forget the Pentagon, wasn’t Congress supposed to check off on all that? Oh sorry, that all happened under the other ‘dictator’.

If the situation between the Kurds and Turks seems an intractable mess—it’s because it fricking is. Half of the Kurds are PKK and they are commie terrorists; and the Turks [our actual allies according to treaty] want them dead.

So—what are even doing in the middle of it in the first place? With all the handwringing from the so called ‘experts’ and their new-found neocon brethren on the left—not a one of them can give a coherent answer for ANY OF IT.

Just the same old boilerplate about ‘abandoning the Kurds’. If we are ever attacked should we hold breath waiting on the Kurds to be our ‘allies’?

[Sailor]

Let's just have war with the despicable guy instead of inviting him to talk.

Trump could be inviting him to pull a Khashoggi on him......Hehehehehe.....

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Turkish offensive 'will not exceed 30km'

Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said his country's operation would not go further than 30km (20 miles) deep into Syria.

"When we go 30km deep in the safe zone, terror there will be removed," he told CNN Turk, referring to the presence of Kurdish fighters considered by Ankara as "terrorists",

Cavusoglu also said Turkey had the right to use the air space over Syria as part of its campaign and that the "air space does not belong to the United States".

All that makes it all copacetic? Trump abondoning the US ally in its fight against ISIS is rationalized cause some official from Turkey says they will only advance twenty miles? And who do you think lives in that twenty miles? Currently Turkey is bombing Kurd installations to include Kurdish villages, and you are happy with some twenty mile promise?

Point being, Monday sold the Kurds down the drain, via twitter no less, Turkey starts bombing Kurds in anticipation of an invasion, and Tuesday Trump invites the individual responsible for that bombing of a loyal US ally to the White House as his "guest." And you don't see this as a problem?

[anatta]

Do you think the Kurds are going to continue to guard the prisons while their countrymen are fighting elsewhere? They will have to reallocate resources to confront the Turks, one of the reasons the Pentagon has criticized Trump's move

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9150816.html
https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-...-exit-1.602311

this is what you wrote

Consequently Kurdish soldiers start abondoning ISIS prisons to defend against Turkish advances, evolving the situation from betrayal to threatening

which is not true-why I asked for a cite.

I know what the warhawks are saying -they say a lot of jingoistic shit to justify staying in Syria.
But if you want to war game it -OK fine.

1.this is a very narrow incursion,and only along a small area of the border.
Turkey has overwhelming firepower advantage,and reports show they are moving in quickly right behing softening the Kurds.

The Kurds guarding the prisoner are detailed as such, and there is no reason to say they will leave them
unattended or "jailbreaks" or the other hoopla I'm hearing.

2.If they are not in the fighting zone they would have to advance against the Turkish air/army, which really cant be done without being seen and targeted..so no they aren't going to leave the prisoners and advance into the fighting
So no -this is a false premise

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Trump could be inviting him to pull a Khashoggi on him......Hehehehehe.....

oooooooooooooooooo...hadn't thought of that!

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I’m no fan of Turkey but they ARE a NATO country.

Wait, doesn’t that make them our allies lol? The Kurds are our allies to whatever extent we were useful to them in occupying the territory they endeavored to make Kurdistan. We’re we supposed to help them?

Forget the Pentagon, wasn’t Congress supposed to check off on all that? Oh sorry, that all happened under the other ‘dictator’.

If the situation between the Kurds and Turks seems an intractable mess—it’s because it fricking is. Half of the Kurds are PKK and they are commie terrorists; and the Turks [our actual allies according to treaty] want them dead.

So—what are even doing in the middle of it in the first place? With all the handwringing from the so called ‘experts’ and their new-found neocon brethren on the left—not a one of them can give a coherent answer for ANY OF IT.

Just the same old boilerplate about ‘abandoning the Kurds’. If we are ever attacked should we hold breath waiting on the Kurds to be our ‘allies’?

So Trump didn't "abondon" the Kurds, via a tweet no less? And the Kurds haven't been our ally in fighting ISIS, actually, one of the few allies fighting ISIS on the ground? And one day after Trump shits on the Kurds he invites the guy currently bombing their villages to the White House, and you don't see a problem with this?

[anatta]

All that makes it all copacetic? Trump abondoning the US ally in its fight against ISIS is rationalized cause some official from Turkey says they will only advance twenty miles? And who do you think lives in that twenty miles? Currently Turkey is bombing Kurd installations to include Kurdish villages, and you are happy with some twenty mile promise?

Point being, Monday sold the Kurds down the drain, via twitter no less, Turkey starts bombing Kurds in anticipation of an invasion, and Tuesday Trump invites the individual responsible for that bombing of a loyal US ally to the White House as his "guest." And you don't see this as a problem?

I've gone over this ad nauseum
I am not debating the entire operation over and over.

I will say 20 miles is much less then I thought and I can only think of 2 towns where we might have had Special forces, which would not have stopped the op.
Erdogan has been wanting to go in since the caliphate was destroyed it was in the cards with or without a few US forces

[Darth Omar]

So Trump didn't "abondon" the Kurds, via a tweet no less? And the Kurds haven't been our ally in fighting ISIS, actually, one of the few allies fighting ISIS on the ground? And one day after Trump shits on the Kurds he invites the guy currently bombing their villages to the White House, and you don't see a problem with this?

Who’s been telling you it was a problem?

Erdogan is an ally *according to treaty*. If you want to argue Turkey has no business being in NATO I’m all ears.

[ThatOwlWoman]

What an utterly idiotic thing to say. It's sad what you've become.

What's that? A regular American citizen who loves her country but despises the kowtowing egomaniacal despot-ass-kissing shitgibbon in our White House?

It's sad what YOU'VE become: An apologist for a treasonous grifter who throws our allies under the bus when it suits him, and begs foreign countries to fuck around in our elections.

[Cinnabar]

Don't know about the Amendment, but it is an embarrassment, you would think that Trump, after abondoning a loyal US ally, would have enough sense to wait till a much later date to invite the person now bombing that ally as his "guest" to the White House

Trump is dead inside, therefore, he has no sense of anything. He's a greedy zombie-like parasite that exists to suck up all the wealth he can regardless of the means.

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this is what you wrote
which is not true-why I asked for a cite.

I know what the warhawks are saying -they say a lot of jingoistic shit to justify staying in Syria.
But if you want to war game it -OK fine.

1.this is a very narrow incursion,and only along a small area of the border.
Turkey has overwhelming firepower advantage,and reports show they are moving in quickly right behing softening the Kurds.

The Kurds guarding the prisoner are detailed as such, and there is no reason to say they will leave them
unattended or "jailbreaks" or the other hoopla I'm hearing.

2.If they are not in the fighting zone they would have to advance against the Turkish air/army, which really cant be done without being seen and targeted..so no they aren't going to leave the prisoners and advance into the fighting
So no -this is a false premise

Oh, so now Trump does know more than the Pentagon and even his own intelligence entities on the situation, and you really think the Kurds are going to just give up cause Turkey is supposedly moving too fast for them to counter?

And now you are telling us that the Kurds, who watched Trump abandon them, and are experiencing Turkish bombardment while Trump invites the person responsible for that bombardment as his "guest" to the White House, are going to help out Trump and not come to the aid of their countrymen but rather continue to guard the ISIS prisoners sworn to fight the US?

Hardly a "false premise," rather a likely probability, there was a reason I included a military source as verification

And it is noticeable that you didn't respond to the simple question of Trump inviting to the White House one day after Trump abandons via tweet the Kurds the very person now bombing the Kurds