Hello StoneByStone,
I disagree. Trump will probably lose the impeachment vote in the House and it will get sent to the Senate. That much is fairly apparent.
As for the Senate, I have studied the positions and statements of all 53 Republican Senators and made estimations of their likely vote on conviction. Here are the results of my analysis of who might vote how on conviction of Trump:
NO:
Rick Scott FL
Mike Braun IN
Roger Wicker MS
Cindy Hyde-Smith MS
John Hoeven ND
Kevin Cramer ND
Marsha Blackburn TN
John Barrasso WY
Jim Risch ID
Rand Paul KY
Tom Cotton AR
John Thune SD
Lamar Alexander TN
YES:
Mitt Romney UT
Richard Burr NC
Susan Collins ME
Mike Lee UT
Lisa Murkowski AK
Martha McSally AZ
Cory Gardner CO
Marco Rubio FL
Todd Young IN
Joni Ernst IA
Jerry Moran KA
Ben Sasse NE
Rob Portman OH
MAYBE:
Richard Shelby AL
Mike Crapo ID
Bill Cassidy LA
John Kennedy LA
Josh Hawley MO
Thom Tillis NC
Tim Scott SC
Shelly Moore Capito WV
Mike Enzi WY
Dan Sullivan AK
Johnny Isakson GA
Pat Roberts KA
Steve Daines MT
Deb Fischer NE
Jim Inhofe OK
John Boozman AR
Mike Rounds SD
David Perdue GA
James Lankford OK
Ted Cruz TX
Chuck Grassley IA
Mitch McConnell KY
Ron Johnson WI
Lindsey Graham SC
Roy Blunt MO
John Cornyn TX
Pat Toomey PA
You can follow the process of how I arrived at these guesses at this thread:
Trump Is Just 6 Votes Away From Impeachment
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Dude, let me just give you a little advice that every officer of the law, every attorney General, every judge, and every jurist knows and fully well understands- IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE- DON"T HIDE ANYTHING- IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE- YOU WILL DAMN SURE TRY TO HIDE IT!
That is always the first sign of guilt- when you obstruct justice by intentionally withholding information pertinent to the investigation.
In this case, even though the obstruction of justice is clear and obvious and an impeachable offense in itself, there are so many people connected to the corruption of this Administration, there are plenty of people still available to corroborate the testimonies of others, and provide additional testimony in the case.
Hello StoneByStone,
I don't think Rubio is forgetting the things Trump said about him in the 2016 campaign.
Yes, there are a lot of Maybes. Which means nothing is certain about how the Senate will vote on conviction.
There are 13 yes and 13 no votes. With 27 Maybes that leaves things pretty uncertain.
The Yes votes only need 7 of the Maybes to convict.
The No votes will need 21 of the Maybes to acquit.
It doesn't look good for Trump.
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It should be interesting to note that while the House conducted the Impeachment Inquiry into Richard Nixon, he had far more support at that point than Trump does right now. A relatively small proportion of voters said Nixon should be removed from office during his Impeachment Inquiry. Trump already has far more people who believe he should be removed, with 51% now saying he should go.
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PoliTalker (10-11-2019)
RINO is the term for that rare Republican who puts country above party.
Right wing = lie, lie, and lie some more.
"When I am president I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to play golf" Donald J. Trump, world class snake oil salesman and compulsive golfer August 2016
The definition of "racist" as "anyone who is white" is itself racist.
Originally Posted by Colin Powell
PoliTalker (10-11-2019)
RINO is the term for that rare Republican who puts country above party.
Right wing = lie, lie, and lie some more.
"When I am president I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to play golf" Donald J. Trump, world class snake oil salesman and compulsive golfer August 2016
The definition of "racist" as "anyone who is white" is itself racist.
Originally Posted by Colin Powell
When Trump's lawbreaking is clear enough that it cannot be denied by Red senators, they will flee him for self-preservation. That is the direction this is going. Trump cannot help himself. He gets involved in immoral and illegal plots with ease. Rudy and his band were working the phony Ukraine plot for a while. Who is stupid enough to believe Ukraine interfered in our elections helping Hillary and of course that Russia did nothing at all? Even rightys on this board cannot be that stupid.
Politics is the business of getting re-elected. If Trump makes it harder, the Repubs will turn on him and pretend that they were always aware he was a crook.
PoliTalker (10-11-2019)
I have relatives in law enforcement and don't need advice, but I appreciate your concern. Not cooperating with kangaroo courts is not a sign of guilt, just common sense, and no real evidence of any crime has been shown, just the usual innuendo and gossip mongering; the Democrats have already tried the fake accusations gimmick and failed, and in the Kavanaugh case even hired an actor to fake being raped, such is the depths they will stoop to. All we have is another media circus and Democratic Party operatives still in govt. positions waiting their turns to be useful to their Party, and we have Trump's GOP enemies always ready to help as well; the Bushes didn't like being denied their entitlement to the Presidency.
What rule is he not following? Is there a rule or a law that says he must help them impeach him?
He made a mistake cooperating with Muh Russia
Fuck the democrat party. If they want to impeach him then do it. He doesn’t have to help.
Does the President have “oversight” over Congress?
If the democrats were playing a strong hand Nancy would vote. They are bluffing.
Fuckem and fuck you
Remember when every JPP leftist believed Mueller have them a “roadmap” to impeachment for obstruction?
Where did that go?
Schaffer’s said he had proof of collusion. Still waiting on it.
All democrats in Congress should die. I hope on thier next democrat retreat they are all attacked by ISIS terrirists
Truth Detector (10-11-2019)
I have all their posts and claims. Yet here they are again, replaying the same dumb screed the Mueller HOAX turned out to be.
I believe that it is proof of the incredible lack of intelligence, intellect, self awareness and commons sense leftists have.
Here's a replay so we can know what is coming in the Ukrainian HOAX:
03/01/19
09/17/18
01/11/19
09/18/18
10/12/18
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12/21/18
01/14/19
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"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
canceled.2021.2 (10-16-2019)
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
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