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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Congress has almost 200 Republicans and they're going to defend Trump no matter what.
    I disagree. Trump will probably lose the impeachment vote in the House and it will get sent to the Senate. That much is fairly apparent.

    As for the Senate, I have studied the positions and statements of all 53 Republican Senators and made estimations of their likely vote on conviction. Here are the results of my analysis of who might vote how on conviction of Trump:



    NO:
    Rick Scott FL
    Mike Braun IN
    Roger Wicker MS
    Cindy Hyde-Smith MS
    John Hoeven ND
    Kevin Cramer ND
    Marsha Blackburn TN
    John Barrasso WY
    Jim Risch ID
    Rand Paul KY
    Tom Cotton AR
    John Thune SD
    Lamar Alexander TN


    YES:
    Mitt Romney UT
    Richard Burr NC
    Susan Collins ME
    Mike Lee UT
    Lisa Murkowski AK
    Martha McSally AZ
    Cory Gardner CO
    Marco Rubio FL
    Todd Young IN
    Joni Ernst IA
    Jerry Moran KA
    Ben Sasse NE
    Rob Portman OH


    MAYBE:
    Richard Shelby AL
    Mike Crapo ID
    Bill Cassidy LA
    John Kennedy LA
    Josh Hawley MO
    Thom Tillis NC
    Tim Scott SC
    Shelly Moore Capito WV
    Mike Enzi WY
    Dan Sullivan AK
    Johnny Isakson GA
    Pat Roberts KA
    Steve Daines MT
    Deb Fischer NE
    Jim Inhofe OK
    John Boozman AR
    Mike Rounds SD
    David Perdue GA
    James Lankford OK
    Ted Cruz TX
    Chuck Grassley IA
    Mitch McConnell KY
    Ron Johnson WI
    Lindsey Graham SC
    Roy Blunt MO
    John Cornyn TX
    Pat Toomey PA

    You can follow the process of how I arrived at these guesses at this thread:

    Trump Is Just 6 Votes Away From Impeachment
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello StoneByStone,



    I disagree. Trump will probably lose the impeachment vote in the House and it will get sent to the Senate. That much is fairly apparent.

    As for the Senate, I have studied the positions and statements of all 53 Republican Senators and made estimations of their likely vote on conviction. Here are the results of my analysis of who might vote how on conviction of Trump:



    NO:
    Rick Scott FL
    Mike Braun IN
    Roger Wicker MS
    Cindy Hyde-Smith MS
    John Hoeven ND
    Kevin Cramer ND
    Marsha Blackburn TN
    John Barrasso WY
    Jim Risch ID
    Rand Paul KY
    Tom Cotton AR
    John Thune SD
    Lamar Alexander TN


    YES:
    Mitt Romney UT
    Richard Burr NC
    Susan Collins ME
    Mike Lee UT
    Lisa Murkowski AK
    Martha McSally AZ
    Cory Gardner CO
    Marco Rubio FL
    Todd Young IN
    Joni Ernst IA
    Jerry Moran KA
    Ben Sasse NE
    Rob Portman OH


    MAYBE:
    Richard Shelby AL
    Mike Crapo ID
    Bill Cassidy LA
    John Kennedy LA
    Josh Hawley MO
    Thom Tillis NC
    Tim Scott SC
    Shelly Moore Capito WV
    Mike Enzi WY
    Dan Sullivan AK
    Johnny Isakson GA
    Pat Roberts KA
    Steve Daines MT
    Deb Fischer NE
    Jim Inhofe OK
    John Boozman AR
    Mike Rounds SD
    David Perdue GA
    James Lankford OK
    Ted Cruz TX
    Chuck Grassley IA
    Mitch McConnell KY
    Ron Johnson WI
    Lindsey Graham SC
    Roy Blunt MO
    John Cornyn TX
    Pat Toomey PA

    You can follow the process of how I arrived at these guesses at this thread:

    Trump Is Just 6 Votes Away From Impeachment
    That's a whole lot of Maybes. And I doubt Marco Rubio has the balls to oppose Trump. Last I saw of him, he was claiming that Trump was just joking when he asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Since the Democrats as a Party declared themselves as actively 'Resistant' to anything and everything he does, no matter what, why would he cooperate? What incentive does he have? It's kind of silly to expect him to cooperate, especially when we all know if they vote for impeachment it will blow up in their faces like all of their previous claims and actions; the Senate is not going to remove him from office, and probably won't even pay any attention to the demand. They gave away 2020 to Trump with their open admission of favoring illegal aliens over citizens in their fake 'Debates' on national TV. One doesn't have to be a partisan to see the obvious here.
    Dude, let me just give you a little advice that every officer of the law, every attorney General, every judge, and every jurist knows and fully well understands- IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE- DON"T HIDE ANYTHING- IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE- YOU WILL DAMN SURE TRY TO HIDE IT!

    That is always the first sign of guilt- when you obstruct justice by intentionally withholding information pertinent to the investigation.

    In this case, even though the obstruction of justice is clear and obvious and an impeachable offense in itself, there are so many people connected to the corruption of this Administration, there are plenty of people still available to corroborate the testimonies of others, and provide additional testimony in the case.

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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's a whole lot of Maybes. And I doubt Marco Rubio has the balls to oppose Trump. Last I saw of him, he was claiming that Trump was just joking when he asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden.
    I don't think Rubio is forgetting the things Trump said about him in the 2016 campaign.

    Yes, there are a lot of Maybes. Which means nothing is certain about how the Senate will vote on conviction.

    There are 13 yes and 13 no votes. With 27 Maybes that leaves things pretty uncertain.

    The Yes votes only need 7 of the Maybes to convict.

    The No votes will need 21 of the Maybes to acquit.

    It doesn't look good for Trump.
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    It should be interesting to note that while the House conducted the Impeachment Inquiry into Richard Nixon, he had far more support at that point than Trump does right now. A relatively small proportion of voters said Nixon should be removed from office during his Impeachment Inquiry. Trump already has far more people who believe he should be removed, with 51% now saying he should go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Since the Democrats as a Party declared themselves as actively 'Resistant' to anything and everything he does, no matter what, why would he cooperate? What incentive does he have? It's kind of silly to expect him to cooperate, especially when we all know if they vote for impeachment it will blow up in their faces like all of their previous claims and actions; the Senate is not going to remove him from office, and probably won't even pay any attention to the demand. They gave away 2020 to Trump with their open admission of favoring illegal aliens over citizens in their fake 'Debates' on national TV. One doesn't have to be a partisan to see the obvious here.
    No such declaration exists. Trump has played the imperial president from day 1. Trump has been noncooperative from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Since the Democrats as a Party declared themselves as actively 'Resistant' to anything and everything he does, no matter what, why would he cooperate? What incentive does he have? It's kind of silly to expect him to cooperate, especially when we all know if they vote for impeachment it will blow up in their faces like all of their previous claims and actions; the Senate is not going to remove him from office, and probably won't even pay any attention to the demand. They gave away 2020 to Trump with their open admission of favoring illegal aliens over citizens in their fake 'Debates' on national TV. One doesn't have to be a partisan to see the obvious here.
    You all thought that it was wonderful the way the GOP and the right-wing media treated Obama. But now that what goes around comes around, you're all upset, demonstrating what hypocritical snowflakes you actually are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    This is why I say that muh constitution is a useless piece of paper. If the president doesn't want to follow its rules, who is going to make him?
    That's the job of Congress and the courts. We already know that the Senate won't do its job.

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    When Trump's lawbreaking is clear enough that it cannot be denied by Red senators, they will flee him for self-preservation. That is the direction this is going. Trump cannot help himself. He gets involved in immoral and illegal plots with ease. Rudy and his band were working the phony Ukraine plot for a while. Who is stupid enough to believe Ukraine interfered in our elections helping Hillary and of course that Russia did nothing at all? Even rightys on this board cannot be that stupid.
    Politics is the business of getting re-elected. If Trump makes it harder, the Repubs will turn on him and pretend that they were always aware he was a crook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Dude, let me just give you a little advice that every officer of the law, every attorney General, every judge, and every jurist knows and fully well understands- IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE- DON"T HIDE ANYTHING- IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE- YOU WILL DAMN SURE TRY TO HIDE IT!

    That is always the first sign of guilt- when you obstruct justice by intentionally withholding information pertinent to the investigation.

    In this case, even though the obstruction of justice is clear and obvious and an impeachable offense in itself, there are so many people connected to the corruption of this Administration, there are plenty of people still available to corroborate the testimonies of others, and provide additional testimony in the case.
    I have relatives in law enforcement and don't need advice, but I appreciate your concern. Not cooperating with kangaroo courts is not a sign of guilt, just common sense, and no real evidence of any crime has been shown, just the usual innuendo and gossip mongering; the Democrats have already tried the fake accusations gimmick and failed, and in the Kavanaugh case even hired an actor to fake being raped, such is the depths they will stoop to. All we have is another media circus and Democratic Party operatives still in govt. positions waiting their turns to be useful to their Party, and we have Trump's GOP enemies always ready to help as well; the Bushes didn't like being denied their entitlement to the Presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    This is why I say that muh constitution is a useless piece of paper. If the president doesn't want to follow its rules, who is going to make him?
    What rule is he not following? Is there a rule or a law that says he must help them impeach him?

    He made a mistake cooperating with Muh Russia

    Fuck the democrat party. If they want to impeach him then do it. He doesn’t have to help.

    Does the President have “oversight” over Congress?

    If the democrats were playing a strong hand Nancy would vote. They are bluffing.

    Fuckem and fuck you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Obviously you don't know what obstruction means. I bet you thought the same stupid thing with the Mueller HOAX too.
    Remember when every JPP leftist believed Mueller have them a “roadmap” to impeachment for obstruction?

    Where did that go?

    Schaffer’s said he had proof of collusion. Still waiting on it.

    All democrats in Congress should die. I hope on thier next democrat retreat they are all attacked by ISIS terrirists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Remember when every JPP leftist believed Mueller have them a “roadmap” to impeachment for obstruction?

    Where did that go?

    Schaffer’s said he had proof of collusion. Still waiting on it.

    All democrats in Congress should die. I hope on thier next democrat retreat they are all attacked by ISIS terrirists
    I have all their posts and claims. Yet here they are again, replaying the same dumb screed the Mueller HOAX turned out to be.

    I believe that it is proof of the incredible lack of intelligence, intellect, self awareness and commons sense leftists have.

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    Mueller is not going to lose, at best, hung jury, meaning they do it all over again, but you are right, for eight months the right wing media has been bombarding Trump's line that Manafort had nothing to do with the campaign, but if he is somehow found not guilty, they will be shouting that it proves Trump is off the hook and it all is a witch hunt
    Just shows they are reaching for straws
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I have all their posts and claims. Yet here they are again, replaying the same dumb screed the Mueller HOAX turned out to be.

    I believe that it is proof of the incredible lack of intelligence, intellect, self awareness and commons sense leftists have.

    Here's a replay so we can know what is coming in the Ukrainian HOAX:

    03/01/19

    09/17/18
    01/11/19

    09/18/18
    10/12/18
    10/12/18
    12/21/18
    01/14/19

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    2018

    09/17/18
    09-17-2018
    09-17-2018

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    Here is a difference my dear, the Donald in his infinite wisdom has already admitted his crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Here is a difference my dear, the Donald in his infinite wisdom has already admitted his crimes.
    You can't stop lying, can you shit-for-brains? Run along you buffoonish assclown.
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