Trump refuses to be impeached.: public discussion

[countryboy]

how is she acting unilaterally?

explain

Which members of the House have been involved in the so-called, "impeachment inquiry"? And how does that comport with the wording of Article 1, Section 5, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution?

[christiefan915]

Is it constitutionally acceptable for the House speaker to initiate an impeachment “by means of nothing more than a press conference”? In short, yes.

The constitutional text on this issue is spare. The Constitution simply says that the House has the sole power of impeachment. Ultimately, if the House wants to impeach someone, it needs to muster a simple majority in support of articles of impeachment that can be presented to the Senate. How the House gets there is entirely up to the chamber itself to determine. There is no constitutional requirement that the House take two successful votes on impeachment, one to authorize some kind of inquiry and one to ratify whatever emerges from that inquiry. An impeachment inquiry is not “invalid” because there has been no vote to formally launch it, and any eventual impeachment would not be “invalid” because the process that led to it did not feature a floor vote authorizing a specific inquiry.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/must-hou...chment-inquiry

[Into the Night]

That's not what I said. You're definitely the dumbest person on the entire forum.

It is what you said.

[Into the Night]

Do you have a link to that insanity a source to post?? Of course you dont its all a lie, my dear

The Constitution of the United States. It is not a lie.

[Into the Night]

Its all been read and reviewed and there is nothing there, liar.

See the Constitution of the United States, especially Articles I, II, and III. You should also review the 5th amendment, and the 14th amendment.

[Into the Night]

Here's Article 1. Where does it say a vote is required?

Section 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section 2
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to choose three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies. The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Section 3
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.

No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall choose their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Section 4

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

Perhaps you should look up what a legislative body IS.

[Into the Night]

The Constitution does not specify how impeachment proceedings are to be initiated. In recent years, Members of the House Judiciary Committee have initiated the proceeding and then made recommendations for the whole House's consideration. If the House votes an impeachment resolution, the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee recommends a slate of "managers," whom the House subsequently approves by resolution, and who then become prosecutors in the trial in the Senate.

The Constitution DOES specify how impeachment proceeding are to be initiated (by vote, the House can do nothing except by vote). It also specifies when the impeachment proceeding may be initiated (Article II). It also specifies how the proceedings may be conducted. It MUST conform to the 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments and all other sections of the Constitution governing trials of the accused. This has also been held up by the Supreme Court, as they must, since they do not have authority to change the Constitution.

[Into the Night]

Where does it say the Speaker can act unilaterally? How else would you involve the entire house, besides with a vote? Don't be so ridiculously contrarian.

Correct. The House can do NOTHING without a vote in the entire House. It is the same with the Senate. It is the same with any legislative body. That's what makes it a legislative body in the first place.

[Into the Night]

how is she acting unilaterally?

explain

By creating secret committees to persecute the President illegally.

[Into the Night]

But, that is what Donald Trump did- MAKE UP HIS OWN RULES!

The non-professional letter that the White House sent to Nancy Pelosi was not even a legal document in any sense of the word.

It was not supposed to be a legal document, dumbass.

In fact, it was about the most laughing stock non-legal document that has no bearing on the power of Congress

It does actually discuss the power of Congress, and reminds Nancy Pelosi of the what that power is and it's limitations, as specified in the Constitution of the United States.

or rule of any known law known to any American,

The Constitution of the United States.

but rather an official document that the president is confessing to continuing to an Obstruction Of Justice.

Trump is not obstructing anything. Pelosi is.

I can't believe that you idiot leg-humping Trump ass-kissers think that that was a smart or brave strategy by the idiot White House abomination of the presidency.

It is a signed confession that he and his White House Staff intends to Obstruct Justice.

Trump is not obstructing anything. Pelosi is.

It will be used as evidence against him!

Evidence of what? Reminding Pelosi that she is violating the Constitution? What is illegal about that?

How stupid!

What the Republicans do not have the Balls for is standing up for the Constitution

Unfortunately too often true.

and admitting that their leader is an idiot and joining us to rid the nation of a traitorous president.

There is no treason here on the part of Trump. He has not committed any crime either.

That's OK, as we will impeach him, and if he is not removed from office- WE WILL on November- 2020!

Dream on, dude. Do you have your post election therapist lined up yet?

[Into the Night]

I never said the Speaker can act unilaterally, don't put words in my mouth. I asked where in Article 1 does it say a vote is required to start an impeachment investigation. There is no impeachment going on yet.

The House can do nothing without a vote of the entire House. It is a legislative body.

[Into the Night]

The vote is required to impeach, not start an inquiry.

It is required to start in inquiry as well. The House can do NOTHING without a vote of the entire House.

[Into the Night]

Is it constitutionally acceptable for the House speaker to initiate an impeachment “by means of nothing more than a press conference”? In short, yes.

The constitutional text on this issue is spare. The Constitution simply says that the House has the sole power of impeachment. Ultimately, if the House wants to impeach someone, it needs to muster a simple majority in support of articles of impeachment that can be presented to the Senate. How the House gets there is entirely up to the chamber itself to determine. There is no constitutional requirement that the House take two successful votes on impeachment, one to authorize some kind of inquiry and one to ratify whatever emerges from that inquiry. An impeachment inquiry is not “invalid” because there has been no vote to formally launch it, and any eventual impeachment would not be “invalid” because the process that led to it did not feature a floor vote authorizing a specific inquiry.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/must-hou...chment-inquiry

Contextomy fallacy. The House is a legislative body. It can do NOTHING without a vote of the entire House.

[Gonzomin]

Correct. The House can do NOTHING without a vote in the entire House. It is the same with the Senate. It is the same with any legislative body. That's what makes it a legislative body in the first place.

Wrong as usual.https://www.lawfareblog.com/must-hou...chment-inquiry Impeachment is akin to an indictment.It is an investigation to determine if a trial should be authorized.A vote is held at the end. You are saying 2 votes must be held. that is incorrect. You are fooling yourself because you want to believe it.

[StoneByStone]

Like it or not, Bubba actually broke the law by lying under oath. No matter how you idiots try and spin it, Trump has done nothing wrong, let alone illegal.

Clinton was impeached for that. So why shouldn't Trump be impeached for breaking the law? And yes, I know that you're lying when you say that Saint Trump did nothing wrong. We all know that he attempted to use the office of presidency for personal gain.