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Thread: Ukraine had already reopened probe of H. Biden-linked firm months before Trump call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    John Solomon hasn't been proven wrong yet.
    Then there should be a real new source reporting on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    This totally destroys Schiff's bribery narrative.
    there is no bribery narrative any more....
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Hunter's the one in for a ride now. All that money. Can you say "IRS"?
    Hitching rides on Daddy's Air Force 2?
    Paid by a corrupt company in the country
    where Daddy is Bama's point man?
    Oh yeah...it's getting good.
    I still say this is DNC's way of knocking Plugs out of the running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Then there should be a real new source reporting on this.
    The Horowitz report has already verified much of his reporting.
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    — Joe Biden on Obama.

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    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The Horowitz report has already verified much of his reporting.
    The Horowitz reported said there was enough evidence and no bias, which has caused Barr and Durham to claim they disagree with the report. Now that part is true, but Fox has been ignoring it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The time frame indicates that if Biden had done anything illegal or corrupt as Trump is falsely alleging, he was doing so while representing then USA so it would have most definitely been within the USA's jurisdiction.
    Not Hunter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Not Hunter.
    Liar Trump claimed Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor in order to benefit his son. The idea was to prove that Biden was extorting favors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The Horowitz reported said there was enough evidence and no bias, which has caused Barr and Durham to claim they disagree with the report. Now that part is true, but Fox has been ignoring it.
    Here's the difference.
    An IG can only report on what he sees and hears directly from any persons possibly involved in certain activities. An IG can not investigate
    further or deeper. If an IG for instance asks a person, "Are you biased?" and that person tells him, "No" then an IG will report that the person
    is not biased. He does not draw conclusions.
    He will not say, "This person lied" or "I could tell that this person must be lying." Those would be conclusions.
    All any IG can do is collect information on what someone tells him or shows him. He can not go looking for corroborating witnesses, go to
    far away places, seek out verification for any hunches he might have, etc. He has limited power.
    All of that investigating activity is handled by lawyers. In this case, Barr & Durham.

    I hope this clears up the difference between what an IG does vs what the attorneys do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    there is no bribery narrative any more....
    Not to anyone as blind and dishonest as you. Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of the Bidens, including Joe to get the aid the House had voted for them to have. That is bribery. That is quid pro quo and you are quid pro quo lying or terribly stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Not to anyone as blind and dishonest as you. Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of the Bidens, including Joe to get the aid the House had voted for them to have. That is bribery. That is quid pro quo and you are quid pro quo lying or terribly stupid.
    Which article of impeachment is that covered in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Not to anyone as blind and dishonest as you. Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of the Bidens, including Joe to get the aid the House had voted for them to have. That is bribery. That is quid pro quo and you are quid pro quo lying or terribly stupid.
    me, Nadler, Nancy, Schiffty, the House Dems........they admit they didn't have evidence to prove bribery......I guess that leaves you all alone in your remaining fantasy.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The USA is supposed to investigate their citizens, they don't ask another country to do it AND the criminal traitor Trump and his crime family want a country they accuse of corruption to handle the investigation for them? Really? What lying freaks.
    New Talking points that quick you must be highly connected within the DNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Here's the difference.
    An IG can only report on what he sees and hears directly from any persons possibly involved in certain activities. An IG can not investigate
    further or deeper. If an IG for instance asks a person, "Are you biased?" and that person tells him, "No" then an IG will report that the person
    is not biased. He does not draw conclusions.
    He will not say, "This person lied" or "I could tell that this person must be lying." Those would be conclusions.
    All any IG can do is collect information on what someone tells him or shows him. He can not go looking for corroborating witnesses, go to
    far away places, seek out verification for any hunches he might have, etc. He has limited power.
    All of that investigating activity is handled by lawyers. In this case, Barr & Durham.

    I hope this clears up the difference between what an IG does vs what the attorneys do.
    Not the point. The point is that Horowitz proved that there was no conspiracy against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    Which article of impeachment is that covered in?
    The constitution defines reasons as bribery, Treason, and high crimes and misdemeanors. Madison referred to the misconduct of public officials.
    Misusing the office for personal again is exactly what Trump did by withholding military aid to get an announcement of a Ukraine investigation. Ukraine did not have to do it, but announce,. That shows it was not about justice but political gain. That gain was for only one person....Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    A newly unearthed document shows that Ukrainian officials had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before President Trump's phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

    Solomon said Tuesday on "Hannity" that the U.S. government knew Ukraine was planning to look again into activities at Burisma Holdings, an energy company that employed then-Vice President Joe Biden's son as a member of its board of directors, early this year. The report is noteworthy because President Trump has been accused by Democrats of threatening in July to withhold foreign aid to Ukraine unless its new president pursued an investigation into the company and the younger Biden's role there.

    "The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

    Solomon claimed the information he obtained was omitted from a U.S. intelligence community whistleblower's complaint lodged against Trump last month.

    He also claimed that NABU -- an FBI-like anti-corruption agency in Ukraine -- requested the probe into Burisma and owner Mykola Zlochevsky be reopened earlier this year. The investigation then went forward, Solomon said. The new probe later resulted in a "Notice of Suspicion" being filed, alleging the existence of "illicit funds" running through the firm, Solomon also claimed.

    Solomon said his reporting revealed the requested reopening of the probe into Burisma involved, in part, "unusual transactions" in the natural gas giant's accounts.

    Solomon said the timeline of the alleged "illicit funds" coincided in part with the time Hunter Biden held a place on the firm's board. The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

    "A month later, in April, the prosecutor's office -- open-source intelligence, again -- the U.S. government officials confirming they were aware of this -- made a request of another investigative agency in Ukraine for assistance in going through these bank records," Solomon claimed.

    "That is a significant change in the timeline -- it was omitted from the whistleblower's complaint, and the question is did he not know it or did he exclude it because it didn't fit the narrative he was trying to write," he continued.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-s...ctual-timeline
    Solomon via Hannity via Fox, triple header

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