Medicare For All a fiscal winner

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What tax breaks are you talking about?

What we're proposing is swapping a business paying $15K/employee to provide individual coverage, with a 7.5% tax on income that provides for M4A.

Corporations don't pay taxes you moron. You might as well say that you are going to raise taxes on EVERYONE by DOUBLE.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you being deliberately dishonest and stupid?

[LV426]

They also favor the solutions that create a bigger government, more spending, and more government control over healthcare.

1. What's wrong with a bigger government? The alternative are big insurance companies that are unaccountable and profit-focused instead of outcome-focused.

2. The spending actually goes down because you're not paying as much in taxes as you are in premiums, deductibles, copays, coinsurance, dental, vision, hospital fees, ambulance fees, and drug costs. I refer back to my OP, but will also remind you that the average worker spends $7,100 for health care whereas that same average worker would spend just $2,440 for health care in M4A.

3. What government control? What are you talking about? Right now, private insurance companies control it all. They're the ones colluding with providers to set artificially high costs for health care so that both can make a profit.

Giving business tax breaks for providing heath insurance does not accomplish these goals.

How does M4A, which establishes a 7.5% tax on business income, give the business a tax break when it's setting a tax rate?

This is your laziness coming through.

[Truth Detector]

Even with Medicare for all, companies will be paying via a tax, for their employees health care, you dumb shit.

Corporations don't pay taxes you putz. They pass all their costs onto their consumers, you and me. You cannot fund a $30 trillion policy by not massively raising taxes.

So why do you think it is a good idea to become a ward of the State? Too stupid to make it on your own?

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That's what Flash is actively ignoring...the fact that companies are still on the hook for providing coverage for their workers...only instead of paying $15K/worker to provide individual coverage, they instead pay 7.5% of their income. It's a deliberate sophist argument, and he knows it.

That 7.5% comes out of YOUR pocket you dumbass.

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1. What's wrong with a bigger government?

This is why you are a uneducated dumbass. You want a faceless bureaucracy telling you what you can or cannot have. You are one of the dumbest leftists I have seen in a political forum.

Apparently you haven't had much experience dealing with the DMV, marriage licenses, permitting, or applying for citizenship.

[floridafan]

Corporations don't pay taxes you putz. They pass all their costs onto their consumers, you and me. You cannot fund a $30 trillion policy by not massively raising taxes.



So why do you think it is a good idea to become a ward of the State? Too stupid to make it on your own?

You are really a stupid broad. Corporations will be paying a smaller tax for Medicare than they paid for private insurance.

Now since you believe the fairy tale that companies pass along their taxes to the consumer, why didn’t they lower their prices after receiving tax cuts?

[Adolf_Twitler]

I believe you would be literally shocked and amazed at how many message board conservatives who holler about getting government "out of the way" are actually collecting Medicare, Medicaid, disability payments, social security, federally-guaranteed small business loans, et al.

I know some personally who are on the take.

But they are White, Old Farts, and think that is part of their White Privileges- What makes them upset is to know that the minorities are receiving the government assisted programs.

NO, I AM NOT WHITE SHAMING! I AM NOT ASHAMED TO BE WHITE, BUT I DO KNOW SOME WHITE FOLK THAT NEED TO BE HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH A GOLF CLUB FOR BEING SUCH HYPOCRITICAL ASSHOLES!

[Truth Detector]

You are ............................................

You should kill yourself. You're a nobody. You'll always be a nobody. You're a moron. You will always be a moron. No one will miss you. No one would care. The worlds collective IQ would increase and it would save the valuable oxygen you waste with every breath.

[Truth Detector]

I know some personally .........................................

[Adolf_Twitler]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just look how that idiot Truth Deflector gets triggered every time I post!

Whatever I just commented on- MUST HAVE REALLY HIT HOME HUH? BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Flash]

That's what Flash is actively ignoring...the fact that companies are still on the hook for providing coverage for their workers...only instead of paying $15K/worker to provide individual coverage, they instead pay 7.5% of their income. It's a deliberate sophist argument, and he knows it.

Which does not pay for those millions of Americans who do not have jobs, children, or workers whose jobs do not include health insurance or the millions of illegal aliens.

[LV426]

Which does not pay for those millions of Americans who do not have jobs, children, or workers whose jobs do not include health insurance or the millions of illegal aliens.

Yes, if there's one thing Flash demands, it's that children, the elderly, and the disabled all get off their lazy asses and get to work.

[LV426]

Which does not pay for those millions of Americans who do not have jobs, children, or workers whose jobs do not include health insurance or the millions of illegal aliens.

"Illegal aliens"?

Would these be the same "illegal aliens" who are stealing everyone's jobs, thus paying taxes into the system but currently getting no benefits?

They can't be both moochers and job thieves.

And workers whose jobs don't provide insurance...what is it you are missing? The company paying them for their jobs would be paying a tax on their income so their workers would have health care. So I don't know what point you're trying to make. The fact that they don't get health care through their employer proves the need for M4A.

[LV426]

Which does not pay for those millions of Americans who do not have jobs

We're at full employment, so...

children

Flash clearly wants to do away with child labor laws so kids can work in the mines again and pay taxes for health care.

BTW - kids already get health care coverage via government...it's called S-CHIP.

workers whose jobs do not include health insurance

Which is what M4A solves for....that they do get health care.

millions of illegal aliens.

The ones who are stealing your job and paying taxes on that income without getting any of the benefits? Those people? How can they be both moochers and job thieves?

[LV426]

I know some personally who are on the take.

But they are White, Old Farts, and think that is part of their White Privileges- What makes them upset is to know that the minorities are receiving the government assisted programs.

NO, I AM NOT WHITE SHAMING! I AM NOT ASHAMED TO BE WHITE, BUT I DO KNOW SOME WHITE FOLK THAT NEED TO BE HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH A GOLF CLUB FOR BEING SUCH HYPOCRITICAL ASSHOLES!

Also, who fucking cares if someone who doesn't work still gets M4A?