If you saw the video, you know that Ukraine was given six hours to shut down an investigation or lose a billion dollars in military aid. It's too bad it wasn't brought out into the open while Biden was still VP.
As political scandals go, on a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 2 and Biden is an 8.
What Trump did was make a legitimate request for Ukraine to launch an investigation into Russiagate. Threedee referenced an excellent article. I encourage you to read it.
https://www.realclearinvestigations....in_120635.html
ThatOwlWoman (10-07-2019)
Jared Kushner is a good starting point.
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...rns-of-foreign
Hello Controlled Opposition,
Tulsi Gabbard has a lot to like. But I think it is a safe bet another candidate would also end our senseless wars of choice. Marianne Williamson has pledged to bring some heart to the White House with a focus on rediscovering basic human love for one another and expressing that through establishing a Department of Peace. The DOP would work with the State Department to focus on creative win/win solutions to international disagreements, and also work to further neighborly love at home in our own communities. It would work on learning why people hate, and what can be done to ease tensions. I think most people could agree there is a lot of room for improvement there.
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Hello Controlled Opposition,
Thanks for this post. It has taken quite some effort on my part to research and learn in order to formulate my response. It has been quite educational. But you're not going to like what I learned.
Oh, we all saw the video. Propagandists have made certain of that. What they are hiding is that the investigation had already been shut down, the USA wanted one, and it was a Billion $ of loan guarantees, not aid, which was withheld. Here's part of an article from the Washington Post:
"Trump has claimed that Joe Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Shokin because he was investigating Burisma.
But the investigation had already been set aside when Biden acted. Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden.
Shokin was named prosecutor general in February 2015, one year after Viktor Yanukovych, the country’s president at the time, fled the country for Russia following street protests and violent clashes in the capital, Kiev.
Western officials hoped Shokin would aggressively prosecute the extensive corruption — reportedly totaling in the tens of billions of dollars — that authorities uncovered among Yanukovych and his associates.
Public opinion swiftly turned against Shokin, however. He was seen as insufficiently pursuing, and in some instances hindering, cases against the Yanukovych-era officials.
Among these was an investigation into Zlochevsky, Yanukovych’s minister for ecology and natural resources. [Zlochevsky also happens to OWN BURISMA]
In 2014, authorities in Britain froze $23 million linked to Zlochevsky as part of a case against him for alleged money laundering. Shokin’s predecessor, Vitaly Yarema, failed to provide documents requested by British officials, and the money was released in the beginning of 2015.
In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt gave a speech in which he criticized Shokin for his failure to actively combat corruption.
Calls for Shokin’s dismissal grew through 2015. However, they were resisted by then-President Petro Poroshenko, who had appointed Shokin and with whom he shared a close relationship.
To pressure Poroshenko to dismiss Shokin, the Obama administration threatened to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees.
In March 2016, Shokin was dismissed. "
Trump called this ex-Ukrainian prosecutor ‘very good.’ But he resigned in disgrace.
It was covered at the time. It just wasn't big news for Americans. Biden was not implicated because Biden did nothing wrong.
That's only how it works in propaganda-land. In the actual world, Trump is in the red hot seat; and Biden is getting a PR bump in exposure as a good guy who served his nation well.
This link does not work for me. Trump's request and additional pressure through many operatives, including his personal fixer lawyer Rudy who is not supposed to be conducting State business, and several text messages, made it clear that Trump was conducting HIS OWN business in Ukraine. On OUR dime. And he broke the law by soliciting campaign help from a foreign national. He also failed to do his duty to promptly facilitate a Congressional directive, a move which prompted McConnell to protest.
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