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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is getting old

    "Trump: I would like you to do us a favor................ The other thing. There is a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution (which is a lie, the prosecution was over before Biden spoke) and a lot of people (meaning Trump himself) want to find out about that so whatever you can do would be great....if you can look into it"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...xt-pdf-1510770

    So many issues, first, Trumpkins been telling us for three years you need a proven crime to start an investigation, but I guess not here. Second, if the US President wants something investigated he usually uses the FBI or our own resources rather than asking another country to do it. Not here

    And largely, why in the hell is a political rival's name even coming up in a conversation with a foreign leader, especially concerning an issue that was investigated and finished by the same country Trump now wants it to reopen the case

    The only people who still deny that is asking a foreign country to become involved in our elections by working for them are those that still believe Trump's "pussy grabbing" bragging was "just locker room talk"
    well you brought in something new at least. If you were Trump would you trust the FBI to do anything? Comey,Mccabe et all says no.
    And you are speaking to a head of state -why not bring it up especially with Ukraine's history of corruption?
    It's WHY Zelensky (an outsider) was elected!

    Shokin said he was pressured by Poroshenko to close the investigation o -who CITED BIDEN as the
    reason the investigation was terminates
    I don't know how you were diverted / You were perverted too
    I don't know how you were inverted / No one alerted you

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    of course the demogogues, and even the GOP, sees there is no problem asking a foreign entity to get involved in our election process. That requesting a country, even a country antagonistic toward the US, to find dirt on a political opponents to aid in one's election is perfectly acceptable

    <snip>
    This surprises me not in the least, and I have actually been acutely aware of the lack of patriotism and utter disregard for the law conservative ideology represents since at least the lower Pleistocene.
    I believe anyone who has participated on message boards for two decades has looked long and hard into the black-hearted soul of movement conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    This surprises me not in the least, and I have actually been acutely aware of the lack of patriotism and utter disregard for the law conservative ideology represents since at least the lower Pleistocene.
    I believe anyone who has participated on message boards for two decades has looked long and hard into the black-hearted soul of movement conservatism.
    You promote socialism/communism and can say what you just did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Republican Senate.

    A dead issue.
    Trump WILL be impeached.

    Count on it.

    And when the GOP runs an impeached President as their candidate in 2020, they will be viewed as a joke.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is getting old
    Yes, you're lying and crying does get old. But you can't help it. You're a dishonest lying leftist hack prone to crying when you get your dumb ass kicked by the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "Trump: I would like you to do us a favor................ The other thing.
    I know dishonest hacks like you want to post out of context, but that is weak and stupid.

    The actual conversation:

    I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation .. I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you say yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueler, an incompetent performance-, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    There is a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution (which is a lie, the prosecution was over before Biden spoke) and a lot of people (meaning Trump himself) want to find out about that so whatever you can do would be great....if you can look into it"
    How is it a lie you dishonest hack? Because you say so? Biden is on video admitting he interfered. The prosecutor has issued a sworn statement about Biden's interference.

    BUT, most importantly, Biden was not he topic. His corrupt cocaine abusing son was.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    So many issues, first, Trumpkins been telling us for three years you need a proven crime to start an investigation, but I guess not here.
    So crime investigations should begin with fishing expeditions like they do in lawless Fascistic third world shit holes? That is the most moronic argument a dishonest leftist hack can concoct.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Second, if the US President wants something investigated he usually uses the FBI or our own resources rather than asking another country to do it. Not here
    You can't send the FBI into a foreign country to investigate corruption in that country. That is the most weak, moronic argument a dishonest leftist hack can concoct.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    And largely, why in the hell is a political rival's name even coming up in a conversation with a foreign leader, especially concerning an issue that was investigated and finished by the same country Trump now wants it to reopen the case
    Why is that a problem? Be specific. Here's the actual passage; tell us what is wrong with it you dishonest hack:

    There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it. It sounds horrible to me.

    Remember, Biden is the one bragging in public about interfering with a foreign investigation. DUH!

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    The only people who still deny that is asking a foreign country to become involved in our elections by working for them are those that still believe Trump's "pussy grabbing" bragging was "just locker room talk"
    It is asinine to continue bloviating this lie as if it were a fact. Where did Trump ask a foreign country to become involved in our elections?? You keep erupting with the same stupid lie over and over again and cannot back it up with any facts.

    Here's a link to the entire conversation; find it for me:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...NOTHING-BURGER
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Facts are not debatable; that's one of the dumbest thing you have erupted with.



    Why does that even matter; he is running an impeachment inquiry on the very thing HE was caught doing. I know the OBVIOUS can be difficult for dishonest hacks like you to comprehend.



    When has Trump used the power of his office for personal gain you dishonest hack?



    Trump has NEVER asked any foreign entity for dirt on his opponent. PROVE IT you dishonest hack. What we do know is that the DNC and Hillary's campaign did that very thing and Schiff tried to.





    In other words; used a foreign entity to create a salacious lie filled dossier to destroy Trump's campaign and then launch the Mueller HOAX. I know the OBVIOUS can be difficult for dishonest hacks like you to comprehend.



    You can't explain it because the event never happened using the FAKE narrative you are bloviating. I know the OBVIOUS can be difficult for dishonest hacks like you to comprehend.
    Getting funnier

    Must be you don't understand regardless, never the less, the "facts" as framed by FOX are debatable, duh

    He ain't using the power of the Gov't nor directly requesting another Gov't

    Political advantage

    Did

    Didn't, must be you are having problems reading

    Wrong

    If you need it broken down by the articles within I could probably do that also, I know it is difficult for you, but try content in something other than unrelated dangling participles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    This surprises me not in the least, ..........

    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Trump WILL be impeached.
    Count on it.
    I wouldn't bet the farm on that. What we do know is that he will NEVER be convicted in the Senate with such a flimsy argument that makes a mockery of the entire process.

    Most likely it will also propel him to victory in 2020.

    When do you think the Party of the Jackass will muster the courage to have a floor vote on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    And when the GOP runs an impeached President as their candidate in 2020, they will be viewed as a joke.
    The Party of the Jackass is the joke. They think they can impeach a President for nothing other than they don't like the fact he kicked their corrupt hacks ass in 2016.

    If you want to see Democrats making asses of themselves, visit this thread which is filled with the hypocrisy of Democrats in 1998. They are saying the exact opposite thing today.

    It is quite pathetic that a Party has to stoop so low as to making a mockery of our institutions and burn down their own house based on such misplaced hatred of a man they don't even know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Getting funnier
    Must be you don't understand regardless, never the less, the "facts" as framed by FOX are debatable, duh
    There is nothing funny about your dishonesty and refusal to acknowldge the fact that you are a dishonest lying hack who can't back up anything.

    All anyone ever gets back from you when slapped with the facts is whiny bullshit Arsecheese. You are proof as to why it is pointless to argue with lying idiots and fools.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    He ain't using the power of the Gov't nor directly requesting another Gov' Political advantage
    I am waiting for you to prove that is the case. So far, just a bunch of lying, crying and foot stomping from you Arsecheese.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Did

    Didn't, must be you are having problems reading

    Wrong
    WTF is this Arsecheese? I am going to need a moron translator for this word salad.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    If you need it broken down by the articles within I could probably do that also, I know it is difficult for you, but try content in something other than unrelated dangling participles
    No; I am just asking you for facts to support your lie filled assertions. So far, nothing but more lying, crying and foot stomping from you.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I wouldn't bet the farm on that. What we do know is that he will NEVER be convicted in the Senate with such a flimsy argument that makes a mockery of the entire process.

    Most likely it will also propel him to victory in 2020.

    When do you think the Party of the Jackass will muster the courage to have a floor vote on it?



    The Party of the Jackass is the joke. They think they can impeach a President for nothing other than they don't like the fact he kicked their corrupt hacks ass in 2016.

    If you want to see Democrats making asses of themselves, visit this thread which is filled with the hypocrisy of Democrats in 1998. They are saying the exact opposite thing today.

    It is quite pathetic that a Party has to stoop so low as to making a mockery of our institutions and burn down their own house based on such misplaced hatred of a man they don't even know.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...d-then-and-now
    Your continued refusal to acknowledge the facts speaks volumes.

    It is clear Trump attempted to solicit aid from foreign countries in an effort to dig up dirt on a political rival in CLEAR violation of his Oath of Office.

    You can deny it, you can hide behind obfuscatory nonsense like the thread link you posted, you can spew mountains of petty insults like you always do when cornered, but the truth is out and Trump WILL be impeached.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yes, you're lying and crying does get old. But you can't help it. You're a dishonest lying leftist hack prone to crying when you get your dumb ass kicked by the facts.



    I know dishonest hacks like you want to post out of context, but that is weak and stupid.

    The actual conversation:

    I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation .. I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you say yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueler, an incompetent performance-, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.



    How is it a lie you dishonest hack? Because you say so? Biden is on video admitting he interfered. The prosecutor has issued a sworn statement about Biden's interference.

    BUT, most importantly, Biden was not he topic. His corrupt cocaine abusing son was.



    So crime investigations should begin with fishing expeditions like they do in lawless Fascistic third world shit holes? That is the most moronic argument a dishonest leftist hack can concoct.



    You can't send the FBI into a foreign country to investigate corruption in that country. That is the most weak, moronic argument a dishonest leftist hack can concoct.



    Why is that a problem? Be specific. Here's the actual passage; tell us what is wrong with it you dishonest hack:

    There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it. It sounds horrible to me.

    Remember, Biden is the one bragging in public about interfering with a foreign investigation. DUH!



    It is asinine to continue bloviating this lie as if it were a fact. Where did Trump ask a foreign country to become involved in our elections?? You keep erupting with the same stupid lie over and over again and cannot back it up with any facts.

    Here's a link to the entire conversation; find it for me:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...NOTHING-BURGER
    Getting so boring having to correct "truthie" so often

    At the time of Biden's request, a request supported by the EU, the investigation into the power company Biden's son worked for was over, finished, completed, history, no longer active, etc, so how in the hell did Biden getting the guy fired have anything to do with his kid?

    And now the rest of Trump's favor, "the other thing. There is a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do would be great if ypu could look into it," so Trump just happens to throw in Biden, his leading political rival, under false pretenses asking the Ukraine to look into it and that is not inviting a foreign nation to get involved in our elections?

    As noted above, the investigation you think and Trump lied about had already been concluded before Biden got the guy fired

    If Trump wanted an investigation into Biden he starts with our own resources, Biden is an American citizen, not asking a foreign nation to do your work for you

    The facts are there, in Trump's own words, and confirmed by Rudi plus text messages revealed this morning, the problem is that you are so drunk on the Kool aid until Trump himself says he did it, or your favorite demogogue says so, you ain't going to accept them

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Your continued refusal to acknowledge the facts speaks volumes.
    Where have you shown any facts? I have done nothing but speak to the facts. What facts do you think I am missing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    It is clear Trump attempted to solicit aid from foreign countries in an effort to dig up dirt on a political rival in CLEAR violation of his Oath of Office.
    That is an outright lie. Here is a link to the entire conversation; find the part YOU claim is soliciting aid to dig up dirt on Biden:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...NOTHING-BURGER

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    You can deny it, you can hide behind obfuscatory nonsense like the thread link you posted,
    The thread link contains the entire phone conversation. Did you bother to read it? Or are you going to continue to pound the table and fabricate your own version of reality like a fool?

    I am amused when a dishonest leftist hack declares the facts as being an attempt to obfuscate; you look like a fool when you bloviate unadulterated nonsense like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    you can spew mountains of petty insults like you always do when cornered,
    Where am I hurling insults? Are you stuck in a bubble of your own making? An echo chamber of alternate reality? What is wrong with you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    but the truth is out and Trump WILL be impeached.
    Again, I wouldn't bet the farm on that. What we do know is that he will NEVER be convicted in the Senate with such a flimsy argument that makes a mockery of the entire process.

    Most likely it will also propel him to victory in 2020.

    When do you think the Party of the Jackass will muster the courage to have a floor vote on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Getting so boring having to correct "truthie" so often

    At the time of Biden's request, a request supported by the EU, the investigation into the power company Biden's son worked for was over, finished, completed, history, no longer active, etc, so how in the hell did Biden getting the guy fired have anything to do with his kid?

    And now the rest of Trump's favor, "the other thing. There is a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do would be great if ypu could look into it," so Trump just happens to throw in Biden, his leading political rival, under false pretenses asking the Ukraine to look into it and that is not inviting a foreign nation to get involved in our elections?
    Your dishonesty is getting tiring. Here is the entire conversation; find the part that supports your dishonest lie filled claim above:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...NOTHING-BURGER

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    As noted above, the investigation you think and Trump lied about had already been concluded before Biden got the guy fired

    If Trump wanted an investigation into Biden he starts with our own resources, Biden is an American citizen, not asking a foreign nation to do your work for you
    Trump never asked for an investigation into Joe Biden. Why do you continue to lie Arsecheese? You have the link to the entire conversation; find it.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    The facts are there, in Trump's own words,
    Yet the facts do not match your rhetoric or false claims. Why do you think that is Arsecheese?

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    and confirmed by Rudi plus text messages revealed this morning, the problem is that you are so drunk on the Kool aid until Trump himself says he did it, or your favorite demogogue says so, you ain't going to accept them
    The real problem is that you are drunk on CNN talking points and cannot defend your claims without lying, crying and stomping your little feet.

    You have the link to the actual conversation; prove your claims with FACTS; not hyperbole, not innuendo and not by lying your whiny little hack butt off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    of course the demogogues, and even the GOP, sees there is no problem asking a foreign entity to get involved in our election process. That requesting a country, even a country antagonistic toward the US, to find dirt on a political opponents to aid in one's election is perfectly acceptable

    So now a clever autocrat, as say Little Rocket Man, could pick sides, decide which candidate would treat him best, and devote his country's resources to getting that candidate elected. And this is perfectly copacetic to the right

    Interesting how the very people that keep telling us they love the Constitution and the individuals who framed it, are approving the very behavior the Founding Fathers warned us against. Telling
    So Clinton getting Steele and the Russians to attempt to dig up dirt on Trump was wrong... correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Where have you shown any facts? I have done nothing but speak to the facts. What facts do you think I am missing?

    That is an outright lie. Here is a link to the entire conversation; find the part YOU claim is soliciting aid to dig up dirt on Biden:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...NOTHING-BURGER

    The thread link contains the entire phone conversation. Did you bother to read it? Or are you going to continue to pound the table and fabricate your own version of reality like a fool?

    I am amused when a dishonest leftist hack declares the facts as being an attempt to obfuscate; you look like a fool when you bloviate unadulterated nonsense like that.

    Where am I hurling insults? Are you stuck in a bubble of your own making? An echo chamber of alternate reality? What is wrong with you?

    Again, I wouldn't bet the farm on that. What we do know is that he will NEVER be convicted in the Senate with such a flimsy argument that makes a mockery of the entire process.

    Most likely it will also propel him to victory in 2020.

    When do you think the Party of the Jackass will muster the courage to have a floor vote on it?
    The proof is right here:

    The President: Well it's very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot. of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very, very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

    President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. Specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United· States for defense purposes .

    The President: I would like you to do us a favor though

    THAT is clear cut evidence of quid pro quo.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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