Environmental bliss

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"Since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?""

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...6-7583,00.html

[Mott the Hoople]

And what the fuck do you know about Environmentalism?

You're such an illiterate moron that you reference a hack newspaper article. If you actually had a clue and knew what your were doing you provide a link to peer reviewed articles. What a moron.

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http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newslet...807/editor.cfm

[tinfoil]

And what the fuck do you know about Environmentalism?

You're such an illiterate moron that you reference a hack newspaper article. If you actually had a clue and knew what your were doing you provide a link to peer reviewed articles. What a moron.

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newslet...7/monckton.cfm

I doubt you'll read it.

[Mott the Hoople]

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newslet...7/monckton.cfm

I doubt you'll read it.

Actually I did, now this is what I'm talking about. Interesting how you pegged the actual peer reviewed article while irreputable only found the web site. The differance between the literate and semi-literate.

So though there are serious questions about an anthropegenic cause to global warming, what about other evidence of an anthropegenic cause/effect on climactic change?

What about the impact of deforestation on dessertification, for example?

[uscitizen]

I have to wonder about all the heat we generate burining fossil fuels.
The megawatts of electricity generate heat in manufacture, transmission and end useage.

AC generates more heat than cold.

Not making any claims, just speculating that it could contribute to climate change in some small way. And once added to deforestation, Co2 generation, etc.....

[tinfoil]

Actually I did, now this is what I'm talking about. Interesting how you pegged the actual peer reviewed article while irreputable only found the web site. The differance between the literate and semi-literate.

So though there are serious questions about an anthropegenic cause to global warming, what about other evidence of an anthropegenic cause/effect on climactic change?

What about the impact of deforestation on dessertification, for example?

I have no doubt we affect albedo and that CO2 forcing from anthropogenic sources has some effect, but I'm been trying to argue that many natural forcings have been assumed to have been caused by anthropogenic cO2.

Thanks for reading the link

[tinfoil]

hey Mott, I found another interesting peer reviewed study from 2007. here's a link to the abstract
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0801175711.htm

and here is the actual pdf file. Sorry it's hosted at heartland. I tried to locate the file at GRL, but I had no luck. No idea why. Perhaps they withdrew it. I don't know.
http://www.heartland.org/pdf/tsonis_GRL07.pdf

I didn't read the whole thing yet.

[tinfoil]

oh man, this thread needs lorax or cypress to call me names. It failz

[Onceler]

oh man, this thread needs lorax or cypress to call me names. It failz

The last time I humiliated you, you called me a faggot told me to "suck a cock."

I'm not sure if that qualifies as good, scientific debate.

[tinfoil]

The last time I humiliated you, you called me a faggot told me to "suck a cock."

I'm not sure if that qualifies as good, scientific debate.

hope it was tasty

[Mott the Hoople]

I have no doubt we affect albedo and that CO2 forcing from anthropogenic sources has some effect, but I'm been trying to argue that many natural forcings have been assumed to have been caused by anthropogenic cO2.

Thanks for reading the link

That goes with out saying. Acid rain is another critical anthropogenic climate issue that has been pretty well addressed by the CAA of the 1990's.

And though no one would argue the contribution human industry had on NOx, SOx and CO2 emmissions towards the problem, the Mt. Pinatumbo eruption in the Philippines in 1994 emitted more SOx in one blast then the entire worlds industrial output that year. The point being natural factors, like Pinatumbo, can dwarf human factors. Though this is certainly no reason to ignore human contributions to pollution.

[Mott the Hoople]

hey Mott, I found another interesting peer reviewed study from 2007. here's a link to the abstract
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0801175711.htm

and here is the actual pdf file. Sorry it's hosted at heartland. I tried to locate the file at GRL, but I had no luck. No idea why. Perhaps they withdrew it. I don't know.
http://www.heartland.org/pdf/tsonis_GRL07.pdf

I didn't read the whole thing yet.

I'll have to get back with you on this one. I'm at work and don't have time to read it at the moment.

Don't get to carried away. Keep in mind that there are a substantial number of peer reviewed articles supporting anthropogenic warming.

As a professional environmentalist this is one environmental issue that I ussually refrain from posting on as it's outside my area of expertise.

[Mott the Hoople]

oh man, this thread needs lorax or cypress to call me names. It failz

I can live with out the name calling, though when coming from a someone so talented at the art of "Ranting", like Dixie, it can have a certain charm to it.

I can also do with out the loaded statement, cut and paste, grenade tossers like irreputable.

Last thing I want to see here is a mutual admiration society but some civility is in order.