Bigdog (09-23-2019), TOP (09-23-2019), USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
Anyone who is ACTUALLY knowledgeable would know that the AGW cult has issued such 'deadlines' many times over the past 30 years+. Then they keep moving the 'deadlines' back another 10 or 12 years into the future.
But you ignore that, because you are a part of the cult.
Bigdog (09-23-2019), TOP (09-23-2019), USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
ThatOwlWoman (09-23-2019)
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
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USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
ThatOwlWoman (09-23-2019), Trumpet (09-23-2019)
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Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
ThatOwlWoman (09-23-2019), Trumpet (09-23-2019)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
Trumpet (09-23-2019)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
Trumpet (09-23-2019)
Hello dukkha,
I have considered it. I always like to weigh out the arguments for each side of an issue. Then gather information. Then make up my mind. It's a logical process.
In this case I find more convincing arguments on the side of science, but the one over-riding and inescapable factor is asking what are the consequences of being wrong on this one?
Well, if we believe the majority and do everything we can to end as much CO2 emissions as possible, what's lost? What's the downside? We get some new technology which is likely to be cleaner and longer lasting, more reliable than what we had? Lots of new jobs to be had building and replacing what's required? Whether or not that would even cost any more than what we are doing is even debatable, so I don't see that as a big deterrent to going with this.
But if we do nothing we risk the habitability of the planet. That is too much to risk in any case.
We have no proof that either way is the correct choice, but we know that one way leads to dire consequences, and the problem with going the other way is some currently rich people get their gravy train cut off. There might POSSIBLY be some cost increases for certain things, but that is not proven. It could just as well lead to cost reductions, and most certainly will in at least some cases.
The smart thing to do if you don't know which way to go is to assume the worst case, prepare for that, and then hope for the best, hope that all your preparations were not needed. Of course if we do limit CO2 emissions with clean new tech, and then it turns out we didn't need to, oh darn. We got clean new energy sources. So we still got something for our effort.
If we go your way and it turns out we should have taken it seriously years back it's a dead end. We can't go back in time and have a do-over.
It is just stupid to assume the easy way out is the correct way when so much is at stake.
And if you had performed the same process in your reasoning you would reach the same conclusion.
There is no logic that says it is wise to take such a foolish risk.
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USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
good.glad to hear it
energy independence,millions of jobs in the energy field, a misguided trillions of dollars spent on Green New Deal and wrecking our economy is the "loss"In this case I find more convincing arguments on the side of science, but the one over-riding and inescapable factor is asking what are the consequences of being wrong on this one?
Well, if we believe the majority and do everything we can to end as much CO2 emissions as possible, what's lost? What's the downside?
TOP (09-23-2019)
Hello dukkha,
OK, so let's weigh those consequences out.
On one hand we have the habitability of the world...
And on the other hand we have some money.
Which is more important?
Well, money is VERY important to a lot of people, that's for sure. We know that. But then we have to ask what good money is without a world?
Hmmmm.
That's a toughie.
I'm gonna have to go with the world.
The world is more important than money.
Just logic speaking.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
Trumpet (09-23-2019)
She is definitely clinically depressed.
Neither me. I would be too is I believed my dreams and my childhood were stolen.
Life is hard. Always has been. War is hell.
When is the estimated time of the coming Apocalypse if we don't stop farting cows and air travel within 12 yrs.?
Of course not. It won't happen. Some kids believe that though. You better believe it.
I can't directly quote what I'm in denial of because I don't even know what I'm in denial of.
this child is clinically depressed, is my arguement. I did. I'll do it again:she's seriously depressed. I copied and pasted that quote from her own twitter acct. Agreed. Childhood depression and child abuse are never good. this girl is in need of serious Cognitive therapy from a qualified child psychologist or psychiatrist followed by healthy after school activities such as sport and /or hobbies like learning a musical instrument."You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words"
Here's are a few questions that even Lord Moncton of England (climate change denier who advised the Queen at one point, I believe). couldn't answer honestly and logically: If you say that the crisis of climate change exasperated by mankind is a hoax, then are you saying that:
1. Nearly 2 centuries of increasing deforestation on a global scale has NO effect on climate, given that forests remove carbon dioxide from the air?
2. Nearly 2 centuries of increasing urbanization on a global scale has NO effect on climate, given that concrete and reflective glass enhances the heating index in it's area?
3. Nearly 2 centuries of increasing industrial pollution of our air, lakes, rivers and ocean on a global scale has NO effect on climate? enhances the heating index in it's area?
4. That all of the above coincide with the increase in global population of consumers?
Anyone here want to give it a try?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
MAGA MAN (09-25-2019)
christiefan915 (09-28-2019), ThatOwlWoman (09-23-2019)
Hi moose,
There is no specific time. The effects increase gradually, becoming more pronounced over time.
OK, no, that is not an overwhelming argument. It has nothing to do with climate change. It's a deflection. You can't address the issue directly so you're trying to shift the argument to something else. You're welcome to believe anything you like, but you're not going to convince anybody who doesn't side with you already to change their mind.
But I appreciate your post. Thank you. It lets me know how you are able to justify your position. It's based on denial and deflection.
Makes me more comfortable with my own view to know that in order to go with the opposing view I would have to fool myself and reject wisdom and logic.
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USFREEDOM911 (09-30-2019)
^^ This is what Climate Denial has come down to > impotent wailing and unsubstantiated claims that have nothing to do with the body of peer reviewed climate science published over the past three decades.
Moody’s Analytics says climate change could cost $69 trillion by 2100
The consulting firm Moody’s Analytics says climate change could inflict $69 trillion in damage on the global economy by the year 2100, assuming that warming hits the two-degree Celsius threshold widely seen as the limit to stem its most dire effects.
Moody’s, citing a report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, says that warming of 1.5 degrees Celsius, or 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit, increasingly seen by scientists as a climate-stabilizing limit, would still cause $54 trillion in damages by the end of the century.
The firm warns that passing the two-degree threshold “could hit tipping points for even larger and irreversible warming feedback loops such as permanent summer ice melt in the Arctic Ocean.”
The Moody’s report predicts that rising temperatures will “universally hurt worker health and productivity” and that more frequent extreme weather events “will increasingly disrupt and damage critical infrastructure and property.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...190_story.html
christiefan915 (09-28-2019)
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