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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Now one would have to wonder if he thought about all that before he hit his keyboard, or, if he made it up as he went along? For his sake, let's hope the later
    Leave it to a Christian Nation 9/11 jihad of fabricated misnomers funding immaculate drugs in synagogues conceptions to impress Israel for decades on just how many of this demagoguery want to nuke Israel as those thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament arsonists standing of it's only federal sin in one nation under God with equal justice under law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    what do you mean? Our STRUCTURE of government hasn't changed except around the edges like popular votes electing Senators,and increased franchisement

    But the organizational chart is the exact same as the founders
    You have been duped by a talking point the rightwing has been circulating for years.

    The Rightwing tosses around the word "Republic" because on some blog somewhere they read that is was a good argument to use explaining why our nation should ignore the popular will of the people, and allow dumb ass sh*t like the archaic Electoral College continue to allow the minority to exercise tyranny over the majority.

    The word "Republic" is so nebulous as to be almost meaningless.

    Republic (noun) - "a country that is governed by a president and politicians elected by the people and where there is no king or queen"

    Oxford Dictionary
    ^ That is as nebulous and imprecise as it gets.

    So many nation-states have called themselves Republics, that the word imparts virtually no information about the structure of government >>
    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
    People's Republic of China
    First French Republic
    German Democratic Republic
    Democratic Republic of the Congo
    Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.

    The framers of the Constitution studied the democracy of Athens and the Roman Republic when they were writing their constitution. That was over two centuries ago, and you cannot take those words out of their historic context. Our 21st century government in no tangible way, shape, or form, is a replica of the Roman Republic.

    The framers where wealthy, landed white men who believed in Oligarchy. The most radical and democratic were people like Jefferson, but his opinion did not hold sway and win the day. Oligarchy is what most of the framers intended to establish. The House of Representatives was their only nod to a quasi democratic institution. Given the historical context, is was well understood that a Democracy requires an educated and informed citizenry - which was not the case in 1789.

    The country has changed by leaps and bounds since 1789. Free public education is universal, literacy is universal, access to information is ubiquitous, and we still have a free press. That is more than enough to form the basis of a representative democracy.

    The framers of the constitution purposefully recognized the legal right to modify and amend the constitution as future generations saw fit for their place and time in the arc of history. We have repeatedly modified the constitution since 1789 to make our government a true representative democracy by any plausible definition of the word.

    Some years ago, a wingnut in some opinion column floated this trial balloon of using the word "Republic" as an excuse for defending the tyranny of the minority. You just got duped into parroting that talking point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post

    The Rightwing tosses around the word "Republic" because on some blog somewhere they read that is was a good argument to use explaining why our nation should ignore the popular will of the people, and allow dumb ass sh*t like the archaic Electoral College continue to allow the minority to exercise tyranny over the majority.
    not understanding the electoral college puts you in a category beyond stupid

    It's one of the most if not THE most sacred method of assuring we stay a democracy
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    No it isn't dummy, the USA is the representative republic. Flunked 8th grade civics eh? It's never too late to take a remedial course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    No it isn't dummy, the USA is the representative republic.
    nope, a Democratic Republic

    that word 'democratic' really tightens up your sphincter eh pilgrim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    nope, a Democratic Republic

    that word 'democratic' really tightens up your sphincter eh pilgrim?
    Produce a single founder who referred to it as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Produce a single founder who referred to it as such.
    name one that didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    not understanding the electoral college puts you in a category beyond stupid

    It's one of the most if not THE most sacred method of assuring we stay a democracy
    Face it, you were duped by the rightwing talking heads who instructed you to run around message boards hollering "We are a Republic!". As if it had any tangible meaning or formed the basis of a compelling argument.

    The word is so nebulous as to render itself almost meaningless. All it implies is that there is no king, emperor, or monarch - and that there is some type of popular representation in government. Period, end of story.

    Republic (noun) - "a country that is governed by a president and politicians elected by the people and where there is no king or queen"

    Oxford Dictionary
    The Roman city-state got rid of their kings in the 5th century BC, and established some form of quasi-representative institutions - giving them the claim to call themselves a Republic.

    The word "Republic" in no way, shape, or form indicates, implies, or states that we have to have an undemocratic Electoral College, or indicates that States are only allowed two senators, that sparsely populated states should be given vastly disproportionate power, or that the minority should have tyranny over the majority in the institutions of government.

    The Rightwing talking heads who instructed you to make the forgoing claim knew that the word "Republic" just sounds so noble and unimpeachable, that nobody would think to look up the definition of the word in an impeccable source like Oxford Dictionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    name one that didn't
    You made the claim, now prove it. You can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You made the claim, now prove it. You can't.
    when did I make that claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    when did I make that claim?
    Typical lying lib. Go away boy, the adults are having a conversation. Go see if Gammy needs anything. Run along now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    guess what asshole party has been screaming that America ISNT a Democracy for decades now?
    DEMOCRATS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    A republic with a democratic form of government

    the terms are not mutually exclusive comrade simpleton
    So all republics have a democratic form of government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

    The word republic is meaningless when it comes to forms of government
    Good point



    That is just what the Republican Party is seeking

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