When your rebuttal relies on misrepresentation of what was said to you, you really had no rebuttal to begin with.
Obviously I want our health care system fixed like any other sane person. I never suggested rolling over and taking anything. You on the other hand, seem to think that if you follow Little Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy into Magic Fairy Tale Land, we'll have free health care, free college and free God knows what else, just because she's campaigning on it.
I just want things done in a way that have a chance of succeeding. Unfortunately, that takes time and effort because major change never comes fast or easy in the real world where I live.
And as for all that weeping about corporate power and money controlling policy, I have no idea what Lizzie fans are expecting out of a Warren Presidency, but wealth and power have gone hand in hand since the beginning of civilization. Aside from the wealthy, nobody likes it, but if you're telling me the magic rainbow unicorn fairy is going to waltz into the WH and somehow change human nature, you all are living farther out in fantasy land than I thought.
I want the best and most solid, stable, feet firmly on the ground leader possible, who knows how to work within the system we have, like it or not, as effectively as can be realistically expected, and who doesn't rely on flaky, grandiose visions to create false expectations that he/she will never be able to fulfill.
C'MON MAN!!!!
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Go tell it to your reflection in the mirror, sonny boy.
Maybe it will do you some good to be honest with yourself.
Sounds to me like you've swallowed Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy's con job hook, line and sinker just like the Trumptards swallowed Trump's con job.
Mexico will pay for the big, beautiful wall!!! Free health care and college for everyone!!!!
My Gawd, PT Barnum was right. There's one of you suckers born every minute.
Translation: Empty rhetoric and false promises make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Got it.
Biden is a realist. Warren is selling a fantasy world to dupes just like Trump did. The reason Hillary lost is because a handful of kooks in three states, probably nuts like you, threw a temper tantrum like the one you're throwing here.
Your bitter Warren 'gimme gimme gimme everything for free without explaining or making me think about how it will be paid for or even pass Congress' syndrome does nothing to add to anything. Just makes you look like a greedy, immature, still livin' in mom's basement, never made anything out of yourself loser.
I am retired and comfortably living in my own home, btw.
C'MON MAN!!!!
There is a way, but thus far no representative has made it a priority. I do not think we need to wonder why that is. The only person that lays out a comprehensive plan on how to deal with this vicious cycle is Elizabeth Warren and whether many people realize it or not or admit it or not, the only ones consistently taking a stand against this revolving door are Progressives. Sorry, but that is the truth of it and the very reasons why representatives like AOC get vilified.
PoliTalker (09-23-2019)
Warren has a lifetime of fighting for the people. Trump has a lifetime of conning and robbing them. There are people stupid enough to believe a self-proclaimed billionaire has their interests at heart. Trump has revealed himself in his corrupt and law-breaking ways. He did not get more honest after you idiots elected him king. All the restraints we had on presidents no longer apply.
Warren, unlike Trump, is educated and intelligent. She was a Harvard law professor. She wrote a dozen books on personal bankruptcy. Trump should have had someone read them to him. She has lived a poorer and tougher life. She actually knows how the people feel and what they go through.
Earl (09-23-2019)
Cinnabar (09-22-2019), PoliTalker (09-23-2019)
Hello Nomad,
Most people never expected a President Trump. And maybe that election was rigged, which would explain the outcome.
18 Republicans have announced they are retiring from Congress, leaving those seats wide open for the taking, with no incumbent advantage. 14 in the House and 4 in the Senate. Democrats only need 3 seats in the Senate to take the advantage if they also win the White House.
Wave of Republicans Leaving Congress in the age of Trump
I think you are underestimating her. She's a fighter. She is a spark and her support is like dry tinder in a hot wind. Times have changed. Climate Change is more pressing than ever. Republicans are set to face defeat on many fronts. Some of the Parkland kids will be able to vote. And so are many of their peers. They will become constituents. Climate refugees from Puerto Rico are also able to vote. Young people are energized. Women are energized. The Me Too Movement. The wave that defeats Trump will also weaken Republicans. Obama answered to the corporate purse strings. Warren is a different leader in different times. Lots could happen. Nothing is cast in stone. Republican dominance on every issue is destined to fade sooner or later. It can't last forever. People are tired of getting ripped off.
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Earl (09-23-2019)
Hello anatta,
Rather obvious bias in that chart: Choosing to label only the factors which emphasize the unsupported contention that Trump had anything to do with the changes. The bias attempts to give credit to Trump for the upswing in manufacturing jobs which actually began while Obama was President!
What the chart doesn't mention:
Government is larger now than when Trump took over. There are more federal employees with Trump than there were with Obama.
The economy is slow to respond to controlling factors. President Obama built all the factors including the stimulus to restart the economy, but growth takes time. The economy that Trump takes credit for was built by Obama. When Trump was elected the economy already had all it needed to thrive, which is why it was able to shoot up the day after the 2016 election.
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Earl (09-23-2019)
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Earl (09-23-2019)
Hello Adolf_Twitler,
90% of voters want background checks. That's what the majority of voters want. Democrats are for it, Republican voters are for it. The only thing standing in the way is suck-up Congressional Republicans who are owned by the NRA. Republicans better hope there isn't a horrible mass shooting, or strong of them, just prior to the election.
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Earl (09-23-2019)
Hello Adolf_Twitler,
I have already publicly pledged to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is just to get rid of Trump.
I have learned what I can about all of the Dem candidates. Any one of them would be preferable to Trump.
I am committed to one thing: Get rid of Trump.
I'm not even a Democrat, but I see lots of Dems with exactly the same position. The Dem candidates have some interesting differences, but none of those differences are more important than getting rid of Trump.
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Earl (09-23-2019)
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Last edited by Earl; 09-23-2019 at 07:07 AM.
Hello Nomad,
Let me just take some selected phrases out of your post:
"relies on misrepresentation of what was said"
"follow Little Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy into Magic Fairy Tale Land"
"I want the best and most solid, stable, feet firmly on the ground leader possible, who knows how to work within the system we have"
Have you even looked at the detailed policy proposals on Warren's website?
"Elizabeth has a lot of plans, but they’re really one simple plan: We need to tackle the corruption in Washington that makes our government work for the wealthy and well-connected, but kicks dirt on everyone else, and put economic and political power back in the hands of the people."
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Earl (09-23-2019)
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