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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The world only works with corporate ruled governance where CEO's and lobbyists write policy? Where enormous income and wealth disparity is the new normal? Where medical treatment should bankrupt a family into oblivion? That's downright f----d-up! But to roll over and accept the premise is even more f----d-up! There are nations that would disagree with you on this worldview, btw.
    When your rebuttal relies on misrepresentation of what was said to you, you really had no rebuttal to begin with.

    Obviously I want our health care system fixed like any other sane person. I never suggested rolling over and taking anything. You on the other hand, seem to think that if you follow Little Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy into Magic Fairy Tale Land, we'll have free health care, free college and free God knows what else, just because she's campaigning on it.

    I just want things done in a way that have a chance of succeeding. Unfortunately, that takes time and effort because major change never comes fast or easy in the real world where I live.

    And as for all that weeping about corporate power and money controlling policy, I have no idea what Lizzie fans are expecting out of a Warren Presidency, but wealth and power have gone hand in hand since the beginning of civilization. Aside from the wealthy, nobody likes it, but if you're telling me the magic rainbow unicorn fairy is going to waltz into the WH and somehow change human nature, you all are living farther out in fantasy land than I thought.

    I want the best and most solid, stable, feet firmly on the ground leader possible, who knows how to work within the system we have, like it or not, as effectively as can be realistically expected, and who doesn't rely on flaky, grandiose visions to create false expectations that he/she will never be able to fulfill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crowonapost View Post
    You got some anger issues son. Calm the fuck down, you aint that special.
    Go tell it to your reflection in the mirror, sonny boy.

    Maybe it will do you some good to be honest with yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by crowonapost View Post
    Sorry no politician especially in the United states magically guides my life. That is my own. Like most things I do, I strive for the best, not just accept what little crumbs I'm given and giving up before even trying. Biden is for people who gave up before trying.
    Sounds to me like you've swallowed Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy's con job hook, line and sinker just like the Trumptards swallowed Trump's con job.

    Mexico will pay for the big, beautiful wall!!! Free health care and college for everyone!!!!

    My Gawd, PT Barnum was right. There's one of you suckers born every minute.

    Quote Originally Posted by crowonapost View Post
    I go for those that want to move forward, not stay stuck in the past. In American politics no one gets all the things done that they want but we strive for it and this is primary season.
    Translation: Empty rhetoric and false promises make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by crowonapost View Post
    So this thread is about one of them. Binden brings nothing to the table but being a right leaning centrist. Just like Hillary and boy that worked out great.
    Biden is a realist. Warren is selling a fantasy world to dupes just like Trump did. The reason Hillary lost is because a handful of kooks in three states, probably nuts like you, threw a temper tantrum like the one you're throwing here.

    Quote Originally Posted by crowonapost View Post
    Your bitter Biden 'get off my lawn' syndrome does nothing to add to anything. Just makes you look like a petty middle of the road dead end job lovin' career Walmart late night stock boy.
    Real vision you got there for 'Murica'.
    Your bitter Warren 'gimme gimme gimme everything for free without explaining or making me think about how it will be paid for or even pass Congress' syndrome does nothing to add to anything. Just makes you look like a greedy, immature, still livin' in mom's basement, never made anything out of yourself loser.

    I am retired and comfortably living in my own home, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    I agree with you on the lobbyists -there should be a way to stop the revolving door


    https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/

    Although the influence powerhouses that line Washington's K Street are just a few miles from the U.S. Capitol building, the most direct path between the two doesn't necessarily involve public transportation. Instead, it's through a door—a revolving door that shuffles former federal employees into jobs as lobbyists, consultants and strategists just as the door pulls former hired guns into government careers.
    There is a way, but thus far no representative has made it a priority. I do not think we need to wonder why that is. The only person that lays out a comprehensive plan on how to deal with this vicious cycle is Elizabeth Warren and whether many people realize it or not or admit it or not, the only ones consistently taking a stand against this revolving door are Progressives. Sorry, but that is the truth of it and the very reasons why representatives like AOC get vilified.

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    Warren has a lifetime of fighting for the people. Trump has a lifetime of conning and robbing them. There are people stupid enough to believe a self-proclaimed billionaire has their interests at heart. Trump has revealed himself in his corrupt and law-breaking ways. He did not get more honest after you idiots elected him king. All the restraints we had on presidents no longer apply.
    Warren, unlike Trump, is educated and intelligent. She was a Harvard law professor. She wrote a dozen books on personal bankruptcy. Trump should have had someone read them to him. She has lived a poorer and tougher life. She actually knows how the people feel and what they go through.

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    Hello Nomad,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Like what?
    Most people never expected a President Trump. And maybe that election was rigged, which would explain the outcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    We barely have much more left than the remnants of Obamacare and you know as well as I do the hell he endured to get that past the Repugnants.
    18 Republicans have announced they are retiring from Congress, leaving those seats wide open for the taking, with no incumbent advantage. 14 in the House and 4 in the Senate. Democrats only need 3 seats in the Senate to take the advantage if they also win the White House.

    Wave of Republicans Leaving Congress in the age of Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Imagine what little Lizzie would face trying to push Medicare for all and free college tuition for everyone.

    The Reugs would have her curled up on the Oval Office sofa with a bottle of wine, watching soap operas and crying after a month.
    I think you are underestimating her. She's a fighter. She is a spark and her support is like dry tinder in a hot wind. Times have changed. Climate Change is more pressing than ever. Republicans are set to face defeat on many fronts. Some of the Parkland kids will be able to vote. And so are many of their peers. They will become constituents. Climate refugees from Puerto Rico are also able to vote. Young people are energized. Women are energized. The Me Too Movement. The wave that defeats Trump will also weaken Republicans. Obama answered to the corporate purse strings. Warren is a different leader in different times. Lots could happen. Nothing is cast in stone. Republican dominance on every issue is destined to fade sooner or later. It can't last forever. People are tired of getting ripped off.
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    Hello anatta,

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    you could do some reseach and find out on your own

    Rather obvious bias in that chart: Choosing to label only the factors which emphasize the unsupported contention that Trump had anything to do with the changes. The bias attempts to give credit to Trump for the upswing in manufacturing jobs which actually began while Obama was President!

    What the chart doesn't mention:

    Government is larger now than when Trump took over. There are more federal employees with Trump than there were with Obama.

    The economy is slow to respond to controlling factors. President Obama built all the factors including the stimulus to restart the economy, but growth takes time. The economy that Trump takes credit for was built by Obama. When Trump was elected the economy already had all it needed to thrive, which is why it was able to shoot up the day after the 2016 election.
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    Hello Adolf_Twitler,

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Let me just say this right up front! The reason why Bernie Sanders did not get the nomination in 2016- was a direct result of not convincing even one Super-Delegate to vote for him. The Super-Delegates make up 16% of the total delegates!

    And since Lizzie Warren has stolen Bernie's Socialistic Agenda, fire and brimstone- She is going to end up with the same result in 2020 as Bernie Sanders.

    So, as long as Warren is promoting ending Insurance for profit that 180,000,000 people are happy with, and as long as she is promising that tax-payers are going to pickup every college loan in the nation, and promising 4 year degrees for free for anyone who wants one- THE SUPER-DELEGATES WILL MAKE SURE SHE DOES NOT GET THE NOMINATION.

    So, if you personally want to see Liz Warren win, you better convince her to get with what the majority of American voters want.

    Because that is how Super-Delegates vote- For the issues that are important to most Americans and the ones who offer policies that they do support!
    The problem with the 2016 election was that Democratic Super-Delegates do NOT respond to what the people want. They represent big money corporate power. That was a mistake.
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    Hello Adolf_Twitler,

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    The Super-Delagates voted 100% for Hillary in 2016! That is how she dominated the the win for the nomination. They stuck with her to the end- TOO BAD YOU BERNIE BOTS DIDN'T!

    You people who are over on the Lunatic Fringe side of the Democratic party- THE SOCIALIST side- the so-called progressive side- are doing nothing more than driving people towards voting for Donald Trump because you keep feeding their fire by trying to ram things down people's throats that the majority of voters do not want!
    90% of voters want background checks. That's what the majority of voters want. Democrats are for it, Republican voters are for it. The only thing standing in the way is suck-up Congressional Republicans who are owned by the NRA. Republicans better hope there isn't a horrible mass shooting, or strong of them, just prior to the election.
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    Hello Adolf_Twitler,

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    FDR representatives, who are as dead as FDR BTW, were not out on some lunatic fringe of the Democrat party. That was a different time in our history with most of Americans living in Dire Strait conditions living on the street and having to stand in long soup lines as far as you can see.

    Democrats have been trying to limit campaign donations for many years, but the Republicans keep inventing ways to circumvent the process through legislation of their own.

    So, Democrats, if they even want a chance at being able to compete, have to play in Rome the way the Romans play!

    But no, you are right Super Pacs and huge donations hiding behind religion have to go! And Democrats want that as much as you do!

    And if you are unhappy with Plutocracy- Your enemies are not any of the Democrats- Your enemy is with the Republicans and the Donald Trump leg-humpers!

    So please take your aggressions out on him and them- AND NOT OUT ON ANY OF THE DEMOCRAT CANDIDATES!

    Vote for who you want in the primary- nothing wrong with that- BUT DON"T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD- AND STAY HOME IN 2020 JUST BECAUSE YOUR CANDIDATE OF CHOICE DOES NOT WIN THE NOMINATION- Biting off your own nose to spite your face- and allowing DONALD TRUMP TO WIN AGAIN- Like you Bernie Bots did last time!
    I have already publicly pledged to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is just to get rid of Trump.

    I have learned what I can about all of the Dem candidates. Any one of them would be preferable to Trump.

    I am committed to one thing: Get rid of Trump.

    I'm not even a Democrat, but I see lots of Dems with exactly the same position. The Dem candidates have some interesting differences, but none of those differences are more important than getting rid of Trump.
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    Hello Cinnabar,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The world only works with corporate ruled governance where CEO's and lobbyists write policy? Where enormous income and wealth disparity is the new normal? Where medical treatment should bankrupt a family into oblivion? That's downright f----d-up! But to roll over and accept the premise is even more f----d-up! There are nations that would disagree with you on this worldview, btw.
    But sadly that is our reality until we fix it.

    We got work to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Adolf_Twitler,



    I have already publicly pledged to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is just to get rid of Trump.

    I have learned what I can about all of the Dem candidates. Any one of them would be preferable to Trump.

    I am committed to one thing: Get rid of Trump.

    I'm not even a Democrat, but I see lots of Dems with exactly the same position. The Dem candidates have some interesting differences, but none of those differences are more important than getting rid of Trump.
    You'll just have to hope that there are more of "you" in the right states than there are those who will never vote for anyone on that Dem list....I mean really...look at the "choices"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Adolf_Twitler,



    I have already publicly pledged to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is just to get rid of Trump.

    I have learned what I can about all of the Dem candidates. Any one of them would be preferable to Trump.

    I am committed to one thing: Get rid of Trump.

    I'm not even a Democrat, but I see lots of Dems with exactly the same position. The Dem candidates have some interesting differences, but none of those differences are more important than getting rid of Trump.
    So, Snowflake, if crazy old Bernie wins the nomination, you will vote for a SOCIALIST?

    President Trump...”we will never be a Socialist nation.”

    Oh, Bernie won’t win the nomination.

    The DNC will rig the primaries against Bernie lust like they did in 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Cinnabar,



    But sadly that is our reality until we fix it.

    We got work to do.

    You will “fix’ Capitalism, free markets with Socialism.

    Perhaps you should emigrate to Venezuela, carry food.

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    Hello Nomad,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    When your rebuttal relies on misrepresentation of what was said to you, you really had no rebuttal to begin with.

    Obviously I want our health care system fixed like any other sane person. I never suggested rolling over and taking anything. You on the other hand, seem to think that if you follow Little Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy into Magic Fairy Tale Land, we'll have free health care, free college and free God knows what else, just because she's campaigning on it.

    I just want things done in a way that have a chance of succeeding. Unfortunately, that takes time and effort because major change never comes fast or easy in the real world where I live.

    And as for all that weeping about corporate power and money controlling policy, I have no idea what Lizzie fans are expecting out of a Warren Presidency, but wealth and power have gone hand in hand since the beginning of civilization. Aside from the wealthy, nobody likes it, but if you're telling me the magic rainbow unicorn fairy is going to waltz into the WH and somehow change human nature, you all are living farther out in fantasy land than I thought.

    I want the best and most solid, stable, feet firmly on the ground leader possible, who knows how to work within the system we have, like it or not, as effectively as can be realistically expected, and who doesn't rely on flaky, grandiose visions to create false expectations that he/she will never be able to fulfill.
    Let me just take some selected phrases out of your post:

    "relies on misrepresentation of what was said"

    "follow Little Lizzie the magic rainbow unicorn fairy into Magic Fairy Tale Land"

    "I want the best and most solid, stable, feet firmly on the ground leader possible, who knows how to work within the system we have"

    Have you even looked at the detailed policy proposals on Warren's website?

    "Elizabeth has a lot of plans, but they’re really one simple plan: We need to tackle the corruption in Washington that makes our government work for the wealthy and well-connected, but kicks dirt on everyone else, and put economic and political power back in the hands of the people."
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