TRUMP TOLD UKRAINE PRES TO INVESTIGATE BIDEN KID 8X IN ONE CALL & to work THRU RUDY!

[Centerleftfl]

Meadowmuffins. Why do dems feel the need to lie so much and with such ridiculous lies? You dems are helping Trump, you do realize that....

WTF? We thought you people liked the WALL STREET JOURNAL. You know sister property to FOX NEWS, you know Murdoch's other baby. So the WSJ is LYING? The WSJ is now on the wingers shit list? I missed that memo.

Rawstory is a NEWS AGGREGATOR. It pulls stories from all kinds of sources, as I have explained ad nauseum to the perpetually obtuse on this board. It even reads and publishes lots of materials from 'winger' sources.

"8 TIMES" in one fucking call is a quote from the WSJ. So they're lying? I'm lying because WSJ is lying? I'll have to take my chances.

You might wanna skip that 2nd excerpt below from the WSJ as your head might explode...

By Alan Cullison,
Rebecca Ballhaus and
Dustin Volz

Updated Sept. 20, 2019 6:49 pm ET

President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden ’s son, according to people familiar with the matter, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani on a probe that could hamper Mr. Trump’s potential 2020 opponent.

“He told him that he should work with [Mr. Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know”
if his lawyer’s assertions that Mr. Biden acted improperly as vice president were true, one of the people said.
Mr. Giuliani has suggested Mr. Biden’s pressure on Ukraine to fight corruption had to do with an
investigation of a gas company for which his son was a director. A Ukrainian official this year
said he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. Biden or his son Hunter Biden.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-d...er-11568993176

[PostmodernProphet]

we should get Mueller to investigate Biden for the next two years......

[reagansghost]

Now the WSJ is on his case! Remind me, they're not fake news media, are they? Enemies of the people?

the WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch, whatever sells

[Centerleftfl]

Then you already know, Biden bragged about blackmailing Ukraine to fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son's business dealings with a Russian oligarch in Ukraine, right?

YES. Now for the many OTHERS who wanted the 'compromised' (or crooked, or incompetent) LEGAL head of Ukraine removed! Not the least being the RADA (their parliament), the EU and US foreign service people. (Remember BIDEN announced this at a CFR meeting. They could check his story out before he stepped down from the dais).


Biden freely admitted to his role in having Shokin removed in during an event sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.

“I remember going over (to Ukraine), convincing our team … that we should be providing for loan guarantees. … And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from (then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) and from (then-Prime Minister Arseniy) Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor (Shokin). And they didn’t…” he said.

“They were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, … we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, ‘You have no authority. You’re not the president.’ … I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. … I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

In March 2016, the Ukrainian Rada approved the resignation of Viktor Shokin was voted out of his position with an overwhelming majority.

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3. The Ukrainian Rada Wanted Shokin Removed


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Viktor Shokin had much bigger issues than the corruption case against Mykola Zlochevsky. Almost immediately after he was appointed, he started to cause almost irreparable harm to Ukraine’s legal system.

For starters, he failed to prosecute any prominent members of the Yanukovych regime or anybody in the current government. He constantly blocked reform to Ukraine’s broken legal system. He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution which the European Union had asked Ukraine to do for years.

The law aimed to reduce to role of prosecutors who “were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine” according to Atlantic Council. It also called for a reevaluation of all prosecutors in order to weed out the more corrupt and incompetent ones. Shokin manipulated the process so that the old system mostly remained the same and minimal, ineffective changes were implemented.

He was the largest obstacle to judicial reform in Ukraine. It wasn’t just Joe Biden calling for his ouster, it was the United States government and the European Union.

Steven Pifer, a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton, told Politifact that “”virtually everyone” he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine “felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office.””

The European Union also called for him to be fired and celebrated his removal. “This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine, in a statement at the time.

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4. Experts Agree That Hunter Biden’s Position Created a Conflict of Interest for Joe

Alexis C. Glenn-Pool/Getty Images

U.S. President Barack Obama (L) greets Vice President Joe Biden (C) and his son Hunter Biden as they attend the game between the Duke Blue Devils and Georgetown Hoyas

Despite Shokin’s removal being justified, experts still agree that Hunter’s involvement with Burisma created a conflict of interest.
Yoshiko M. Herrera, an expert on Russia and Eurasian policy at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, told the Washington Post that Hunter Biden’s position was “a conflict of interest even if it doesn’t break any laws.”

“Calling Hunter Biden a private citizen ignores the obvious links to the vice president,” Herrera said. “Conflict-of-interest rules should have applied. If Biden is working for the Obama administration on Ukraine, his son should not have been on the board of a company there that could be affected by U.S. policy spearheaded by his father.”

The Post also noted that “for more than two decades, [Hunter Biden’s] professional work often tracked with his father’s life in politics, from Washington to Ukraine to China.”

A 2015 New York Times editorial said that “It should be plain to Hunter Biden that any connection with a Ukrainian oligarch damages his father’s efforts to help Ukraine. This is not a board he should be sitting on.”
Steven Pifer also expressed concern to the New York Times in 2015, “It was a mistake for Hunter Biden to join the Burisma board, particularly given that the vice president was the senior U.S. official engaging Ukraine,” Pifer said. “Hunter Biden should have been more mindful of his father’s position.”

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5. Joe Biden Denied Knowing About Hunter’s Role with Burisma Holdings

NG HAN GUAN/AFP/Getty Images

US Vice President Joe Biden waves as he walks out of Air Force Two with his granddaughter, Finnegan Biden (C) and son Hunter Biden (R) upon their arrival in Beijing

A spokesperson for the Biden campaign told Politifact that he “learned about his son’s role on the board through media reports and never discussed anything related to this company with his son.”

In 2014, spokesman Jay Carney was asked at a White House press briefing if Hunter’s involvement with Burisma created a conflict of interest.

“I would refer you to the Vice President’s office. I saw those reports. Hunter Biden and other members of the Biden family are obviously private citizens and where they work does not reflect an endorsement by the administration or by the Vice President or President.” Carney said, “But I would refer you to the Vice President’s office.”

Hunter has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in his role at Burisma and said he has not discussed the business with his father.
“I have had no role whatsoever in relation to any investigation of Burisma, or any of its officers,” Hunter Biden told the New York Times in a statement. “I explicitly limited my role to focus on corporate governance best practices to facilitate Burisma’s desire to expand globally.”

He also told the Washington Post that “At no time have I discussed with my father the company’s business or my board service,” and insisted that “the narrative that has been suggested and developed by the right-wing political apparatus [is] demonstrably false.”

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/joe-biden-ukraine/

[reagansghost]

[Bigdog]

“At no time have I discussed with my father the company’s business or my board service,” and insisted that “the narrative that has been suggested and developed by the right-wing political apparatus [is] demonstrably false.”[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/joe-biden-ukraine/

And miraculously, the new prosecutor dropped the investigation of Biden's boy.

White Privilege.

[Centerleftfl]

Reagan, have you watched this yet? It's been getting press again and I'm gonna, but I'm just wondering if it will make me sick to my stomach. Looking back at history can uplift and history can cause revulsion. I feel certain this POS will have no redeeming qualities. And to think this was TRUMP'S mentor.

[Centerleftfl]

And miraculously, the new prosecutor dropped the investigation of Biden's boy.

White Privilege.

Let our FBI take a look. If the 'White' Boy did anything wrong, we'll find out and will get his just desserts. If he didn't do anything wrong but MADE MONEY in a 'conflicted' position, let him DONATE proceeds to a UKRANIAN charity.

Then let us see all of TRUMP Juniors records!

[Trumpet]

Then you already know, Biden bragged about blackmailing Ukraine to fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son's business dealings with a Russian oligarch in Ukraine, right?

Tell us about that

[reagansghost]

Reagan, have you watched this yet? It's been getting press again and I'm gonna, but I'm just wondering if it will make me sick to my stomach. Looking back at history can uplift and history can cause revulsion. I feel certain this POS will have no redeeming qualities. And to think this was TRUMP'S mentor.

just the trailer, Roy Cohn is more evil than Lee Atwater and Roger Stone (see Netflix) combined

if the general population was aware of just how grotesquely evil these fucks are......they'd be dead right now


edit - Lee Atwater is already dead, cancer saved the world from even more evil, thank ya jesus

[Centerleftfl]

just the trailer, Roy Cohn is more evil than Lee Atwater and Roger Stone (see Netflix) combined

if the general population was aware of just how grotesquely evil these fucks are......they'd be dead right now


edit - Lee Atwater is already dead, cancer saved the world from even more evil, thank ya jesus

I think you have the TRIUMVIRATE of evil with those 3. Throw in ROVE and you have the entire history of the REPUBLICAN PARTY over the past 70 years! Lee Atwater got his. Cohn got his--way too late. STONE and ROVE are still above the ground and enjoying the 'good life'. Even MANAFORT got his!

There is no god!

[Centerleftfl]

just the trailer, Roy Cohn is more evil than Lee Atwater and Roger Stone (see Netflix) combined

if the general population was aware of just how grotesquely evil these fucks are......they'd be dead right now


edit - Lee Atwater is already dead, cancer saved the world from even more evil, thank ya jesus

He had 3 little kids at home. TOUGH SHIT! He called DUKAKIS from his deathbed and APOLOGIZED. Too fucking late. Dukakis probably accepted Atwater's apology with graciousness. But I hope not.



MANAFORT, STONE and ATWATER. You just can't make this shit up!

[Truth Detector]

The Rumppers do not care. Rump could sell the original copy of the Constitution to Putin and they would celebrate!

No, we wouldn't scarecrow. Anymore strawmen you wish to construct? Dunce.

[Truth Detector]

I think you have the TRIUMVIRATE of evil with those 3. Throw in ROVE and you have the entire history of the REPUBLICAN PARTY over the past 70 years! Lee Atwater got his. Cohn got his--way too late. STONE and ROVE are still above the ground and enjoying the 'good life'. Even MANAFORT got his!

There is no god!

Translation:

[Truth Detector]

Oh for fuckingcristsakes. Even an imbecile knows that ANYTHING Ukraine involves PUTIN.

Of for fuckingcristsakes; see a therapist.