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Thread: North America Has Lost 3 Billion Birds, Scientists Say

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Just got done reading that on the NYT site. OMG. Our world is dying.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/s...ca-canada.html

    "The skies are emptying out.

    "The number of birds in the United States and Canada has fallen by 29 percent since 1970, scientists reported on Thursday. There are 2.9 billion fewer birds taking wing now than there were 50 years ago.

    "The analysis, published in the journal Science, is the most exhaustive and ambitious attempt yet to learn what is happening to avian populations. The results have shocked researchers and conservation organizations.

    "In a statement on Thursday, David Yarnold, president and chief executive of the National Audubon Society, called the findings “a full-blown crisis.”

    "Experts have long known that some bird species have become vulnerable to extinction. But the new study, based on a broad survey of more than 500 species, reveals steep losses even among such traditionally abundant birds as robins and sparrows."
    There's your problem. You believe the lying NYT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Holy fuck, there's more than enough legislation in the US. How about you demand that China and India clean up their shit?
    Instead, they encourage kids to play hooky, and "protest" the USA. The country which has done the most to clean up the environment. Why aren't they protesting China and India?
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    We'll accept your criticism when you donate as much as we do in license fees, which go to "protecting our shared environment."
    I'm pretty sure that I donate far more to environmental groups than your license fees amount to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that I donate far more to environmental groups than your license fees amount to.
    I'm pretty sure you will refuse to provide verifiable proof of your claim.

    I'm pretty sure you'll post something showing your cowardice.

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    Bless you, Ignore feature. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that I donate far more to environmental groups than your license fees amount to.
    Yeah, ok.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Yeah, ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Screenshots to come
    ODS. Every. Single. Day. Since. 2010.

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    the TDS thread would be over 12,000 by now But it's the every...single...day thoughts that count...yesterday's sentiments were epic My TOP pick?
    "As for hating anonymous Internet ppl in a venue like this.... I can understand disgust, dislike, abhorrence, revulsion, repulsion, nausea, shock, horror, massive doses of antibiotics to ward off whatever their diseased brains suffer from.... but hate is a bit too much of an investment in idiots who can't do anything more than (badly) write some words, eh? Some toxic ppl though do invest their lives and years of time into their Internet vendettas again others that they'll never meet and who have absolutely no power over them, other than living life better than they have managed to do.
    able to stop"

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Instead, they encourage kids to play hooky, and "protest" the USA. The country which has done the most to clean up the environment. Why aren't they protesting China and India?
    They are learning about government and our right to protest! Protest is what started our beginnings. It’s an excellent opportunity for young people. It’s always good to participate in Democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    They are learning about government and our right to protest! Protest is what started our beginnings. It’s an excellent opportunity for young people. It’s always good to participate in Democracy.
    They should be in school....90% of them are just there because they had an out for the day....they'll show up for a pic to prove they were there...then off to Starbucks...and home

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    They are learning about government and our right to protest! Protest is what started our beginnings. It’s an excellent opportunity for young people. It’s always good to participate in Democracy.
    Obviously I can't speak for what other universities do, but here some of our profs offer extra credit for those who attend various protests, speeches, seminars, etc. on political issues of the day. I've gotten credit the last two Octobers, for instance, for attending Indigenous People's Day activities on campus. Just another example of that evil liberal higher education thing promoting discord and unAmerican activities. lol
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    Let's resume discussion around noonish

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    Here is the original Science journal article regarding this massive loss.
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    Species extinctions have defined the global biodiversity crisis, but extinction begins with loss in abundance of individuals that can result in compositional and functional changes of ecosystems. Using multiple and independent monitoring networks, we report population losses across much of the North American avifauna over 48 years, including once common species and from most biomes. Integration of range-wide population trajectories and size estimates indicates a net loss approaching 3 billion birds, or 29% of 1970 abundance. A continent-wide weather radar network also reveals a similarly steep decline in biomass passage of migrating birds over a recent 10-year period. This loss of bird abundance signals an urgent need to address threats to avert future avifaunal collapse and associated loss of ecosystem integrity, function and services.

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.aaw1313
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that I donate far more to environmental groups than your license fees amount to.
    Not to mention you actually vote for, and support, candidates and policies that actually make the environment a priority and a top tier concern.

    Other posters do not do that - they support candidates and policies intent on weakening environmental safeguards, weakening endangered species protections, and cheerleading for forms of energy that contribute to relentless environmental degradation, aka oil and coal. Should we even go down the road about which posters support a president who turns a blind eye - and shows no concern towards - to trophy hunting?


    I am going to judge posters on what they actually think are important issues, and what their personal priorities are, based on the posts they make and the threads they start.

    You would be hard pressed to find hardly any threads started by conservatives over the 14 year history of this board where they articulate and demonstrate genuine concern for the environment, for wildlife, for ecological systems.

    They might yelp about some license fee they paid out of a self-serving interest in being able to shoot deer or catch fish.
    But their utter silence, their lack of posting history, the abject absence of any threads they start demonstrating sincere interest and concern for the environment says more than a supposed license fee ever will.

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