What happened to States Rights?

[evince]

Educate yourself on the electoral college moron.

prove your claims by siting what the founders said about that decision fucking ass smear

[Jarod]

Trump has changed the party, State Rights mean nothing to him, neither does the debt and deficit. The Republicans go along in fear of his childish tantrums.

Add "States Rights" to the list of things ReTrumplicans no longer care about.

[Jarod]

California's waiver under the Clean Air Act allowed it to set standards tighter than the federal standards, which have been adopted by more than a dozen states and became the de-facto nationwide standard, because automakers do not design different sets of vehicles to meet different standards in different states.

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Andrew Wheeler said Tuesday.

That is the automakers economic decision, not the Governments decision.

[Jarod]

California does not dictate the regulations for the nation. They have some unique conditions with cities in valleys that get temperature inversions. They had serious smog problems that imperiled citizens health. So they started regulating cars and companies. The air got a lot cleaner. However, they did not get Trump's permission.
In no way does California decide the nation's regulations. They do decide their own.

Is it an excuse to take away States power, simply because its not convenient to the major auto manufacturers?

[Jarod]

The federal government gets to set minimum standards on environmental performance. A national minimum baseline is the very reason for the existing of EPA, CWA, CAA, etc.

They do not have authority to set limits on the maximum, or most-protective practicable standards.

If California and other states want to have more stringent standards, than the national baseline, that is within their authority.

This has nothing to do with science or law. It has everything to do with a petulant man-baby who wants to overturn everything Obama or California did, out of sheer spite.


Improved fuel standards are one of the most effective things we can do in an attempt to slow human emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

And the state can say... those cars cannot be sold here because they are hazardous to the health of our citizens.

[dukkha]

The federal government gets to set minimum standards on environmental performance. A national minimum baseline is the very reason for the existing of EPA, CWA, CAA, etc.

They do not have authority to set limits on the maximum, or most-protective practicable standards.

If California and other states want to have more stringent standards, than the national baseline, that is within their authority.

This has nothing to do with science or law. It has everything to do with a petulant man-baby who wants to overturn everything Obama or California did, out of sheer spite.


Improved fuel standards are one of the most effective things we can do in an attempt to slow human emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

fuel can't come at the expense of safety,or even mass marketing.
But then why the "waiver?" if it's in CA's authority, there should no reason for a "waiver"

[Jarod]

You realize that the citizens of Cali could say to automakers we want cars with lower emmissions, thats what we will buy. Do that and car makers will give them what they want.

Then once again the ethical and moral would suffer for the actions of those who do not care.

[evince]

Educate yourself on the electoral college moron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...#Original_plan

[dukkha]

The framers of the constitution consciously and purposefully put the ability to amend the constitution into that document, realizing that times change, priorities change, and future generations should have a say in how the process of self-government works.

California is woefully under-represented at the federal level. I believe the maxim one America-one vote is the very pinnacle of fairness.

Before you start complaining about California being unfair, it is incumbent upon you to realize that tiny, sparsely populated conservative states have long had disproportionate power to dictate to California what our national priorities should be.

not "disproportionate" /you are ignoring the reason Congress ( and the EC) is set up
to not only reflect population, but the federation of these United States

[evince]

However, once the Electoral College had been decided on, several delegates (Mason, Butler, Morris, Wilson, and Madison) openly recognized its ability to protect the election process from cabal, corruption, intrigue, and faction. Some delegates, including James Wilson and James Madison, preferred popular election of the executive.[16][17] Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South:
There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to the fewest objections.[18]

[dukkha]

That is the automakers economic decision, not the Governments decision.

looks to me the government is trying to set uniform standards -something you statists always cry about.

[evince]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...#Original_plan

However, once the Electoral College had been decided on, several delegates (Mason, Butler, Morris, Wilson, and Madison) openly recognized its ability to protect the election process from cabal, corruption, intrigue, and faction. Some delegates, including James Wilson and James Madison, preferred popular election of the executive.[16][17] Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South:
There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to the fewest objections.[18]



facts not far far far right win g assholes claims

[Superfreak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...#Original_plan

oh look, desh posted a link... unable to use your own words moron? What about the link are you trying to put forth for discussion?

[evince]

looks to me the government is trying to set uniform standards -something you statists always cry about.

uniformly LOWER performance ?



you gonna ORDER the corporations to do that against their will asshole?

[evince]

oh look, desh posted a link... unable to use your own words moron? What about the link are you trying to put forth for discussion?

you are one stupid butt fuck