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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why is a delay of any legal purchase okay? How many crimes are stopped as a result of background checks? Can anyone define that? Most guns used in crimes are stolen; the one's used in almost all mass shootings were legally obtained. What is accomplished by them?
    That is impossible to tell. I do not disagree with the fact that most weapons used in mass shootings are (1) obtained illegally (2) stolen or (3) committed by a person that passed the background check.

    Criminals will find a way to get the guns. The background check is supposed to make it harder for them to do so. It also is designed in part to help stop crimes of passion.

    I would ask in return: What harm does it do to a legal gun purchaser who plans to use it for legal activities?

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    I agree that the Constitution of the United States, Bill of Rights amendments, guarantees the right of every American to bear arms.

    I don't disagree with that; background checks don't seem to be complying with the 2nd Amendment. Registration is a tough call, too, although we do require registration for other things without encountering Constitutional problems.

    Also, we're Americans and capping each other's asses is what we've done since the birth of our nation.

    There is, however, no Constitutional stipulation guaranteeing the right to privately own grenade launchers, nuclear weapons, or even assault rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I agree that the Constitution of the United States, Bill of Rights amendments, guarantees the right of every American to bear arms.

    I don't disagree with that; background checks don't seem to be complying with the 2nd Amendment. Registration is a tough call, too, although we do require registration for other things without encountering Constitutional problems.

    Also, we're Americans and capping each other's asses is what we've done since the birth of our nation.

    There is, however, no Constitutional stipulation guaranteeing the right to privately own grenade launchers, nuclear weapons, or even assault rifles.
    'assault rifles' are already banned, unless they are pre 1985.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    They already occur. They do not stop criminals.
    Or those who are not criminals until they start shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    The background check is supposed to make it harder for them to do so.
    Background checks do nothing to make it harder for criminals. Criminals don't walk into gun stores and fill out questionnaire, pay retail price for their guns and come back in two weeks to pick them up.

    I would like to see even a single shrewd of evidence that this is how criminals obtain weapons. Got some?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    It also is designed in part to help stop crimes of passion.
    That is another lame claim; that someone who is pissed off in a fit of passion is going to run to the gun store and buy a gun, then come back an shoot someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    I would ask in return: What harm does it do to a legal gun purchaser who plans to use it for legal activities?
    The question isn't about "what harm"; but rather, why bother? If, in fact, it does nothing what the champions of it claim it does, why force hunters, hobbyists and target shooters to go through that pain and the added costs they are paying for this farce?
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    'assault rifles' are already banned, unless they are pre 1985.
    That ban, part of the "Brady Bill," was lifted during the Bush II administration.
    Dubya declared that the law was invalid because Brady hadn't been accused of deflating footballs yet.
    Either that or the Republicans were just being dicks again...even though Reagan signed the Brady Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    I am guessing you are creating a straw man because you are scared to acknowledge that what I stated is accurate.

    Do you dispute our per student spending vs. Europe or other first world countries?
    That could be true, I honestly don't know, but whatever we're spending, it clearly isn't enough. Teachers are underpaid. State school tuitions are higher than private school tuitions were just a short while ago. Student debt is a huge problem. Schools in underpriviliged communities lack resources and have high drop out rates.

    More than any of that, however, is that being stupid is killing us as a nation. Have you noticed who's occupying the Oval Office these days?

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    background checks should be required............before people are allowed to post here.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    That ban, part of the "Brady Bill," was lifted during the Bush II administration.
    Dubya declared that the law was invalid because Brady hadn't been accused of deflating footballs yet.
    Either that or the Republicans were just being dicks again...even though Reagan signed the Brady Bill.
    Nope. That ban is still in effect. The brady bill had to do with the guns the media tried to pretend were assault rifles.

    An assault rifle must have select fire capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    That could be true, I honestly don't know, but whatever we're spending, it clearly isn't enough. Teachers are underpaid. State school tuitions are higher than private school tuitions were just a short while ago. Student debt is a huge problem. Schools in underpriviliged communities lack resources and have high drop out rates.

    More than any of that, however, is that being stupid is killing us as a nation. Have you noticed who's occupying the Oval Office these days?
    I agree teachers are underpaid... but that is simply a question of where the funding is going, not the lack of funding.

    Student debt is also a huge problem as you state... but that is a COST issue, not a funding one.

    I agree that our educational system is failing us. Who controls that?

    I agree Trump is a buffoon. But when you have two incredibly unethical people representing the two main parties, you are going to end up with one of the morons in the White House.

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    We have more than two unethical people representing both major parties, but in a democracy, the fault always lies with the general electorate.

    It goes back to all of those under-educated dolts we see being interviewed by field reporters on cable news. Too many Americans look and sound like extras in the
    Star Wars cantina scene. I can't believe the drivel we hear from the mouths of the "general public."

    It really makes the argument for coastal elitism prevailing until the problem is successfully addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    If you insist on making things up, Superfreak, this discussion is merely wasting bandwidth.
    What is it you think I made up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    That ban, part of the "Brady Bill," was lifted during the Bush II administration.
    Clueless doesn't know what an assault rifle is. In dumbfuck land, it means a gun that looks scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    are there any here?
    Sure. Background checks are fine. Registration is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    That could be true, I honestly don't know, but whatever we're spending, it clearly isn't enough. Teachers are underpaid. State school tuitions are higher than private school tuitions were just a short while ago. Student debt is a huge problem. Schools in underpriviliged communities lack resources and have high drop out rates.

    More than any of that, however, is that being stupid is killing us as a nation. Have you noticed who's occupying the Oval Office these days?
    Typical leftist; they think that EVERYTHING is about not spending enough. As if a Federal budget of $4 trillion isn't enough.

    Educational spending is the single largest budget in every state. Yet it is never enough. Then we agree to spend more; and get fewer educated adults and more indoctrinated dumbasses like you.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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