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    Hello anonymoose,

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    A union goes on strike because they're losing their jobs?
    And boycotting GM will somehow increase the demand for the products there's not enough demand for?
    This sounds like an alternative universe.
    I assure you this is quite the same universe.

    Do you think the union is being unreasonable because they are demanding what they felt President Trump promised them but they are not seeing?
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    Hello COC,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Testing out new names for the UAW! Right now, URAW has my vote. United Robot Auto Workers. What say you all? Try to organize THEM, left ‘tards!
    That's fine but the UAW votes. The URAW doesn't. Republicans could choose to stand behind their word that they look out for workers, or they could just show their true colors instead. One way gets you votes. The other gets votes against you. Your choice.
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    Hello nolongertolerant,

    Quote Originally Posted by nolongertolerant View Post
    That is because they knew they were being overpaid already for their skills. No way anyone else was going to pay them that much if it went under. Nice try.
    I bet nobody in that union believes that. They've still got a grasp on the kind of jobs that made America great. Isn't Trump trying to do that again? Protecting those jobs would be a good start.
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    Hello COC,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Generous union goodies are part of the reason those companies were bailed out. Evidently the unions want to recycle this caca to give them a reason to exist. Those people pay 4% of their medical out of pocket, did you know that? I pay about 20% for my employer plan, and 8% if I use the VA! There are a bunch of other things GM was about to do anyway, but they may dig in now, because this is just a political stunt
    If it's a political stunt the result may be turning a lot of red votes blue.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    If you wish to blame management for GMs sales woes thats fine.
    Maybe they should lower the greedy salaries of the top execs so they could lower the car prices. Maybe they shoulda put the bail out money into lowering car prices to sell more units. Maybe they have a PR problem. Who knows. I tell you one thing that struck me is how the executives handle it when there are thin times. A local company I know had a rough patch for a while so they couldn't give any raises. And you know what they did? During that time, the executives took no salary at all. Zero. And it's not like their normal salary was hundreds of times the average worker pay. More like 10-15 times. That's how a good company is operated. The people who have money at risk in the company are dedicated to making it work. That means being willing to delay the big payoffs that go with risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    But it doesnt change the fact that you cant pay people to do nothing.
    Who says?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Who says?

    A UBI is inevitable. It's only a matter of time until it is begun.
    Im guessing thats universal base income.
    Who funds that ?
    Please dont say rich people, that will never happen.

    Back to the subject at hand...

    Obama gave UAW an ownership stake in GM so it bears at least partial responsibility for management failings.

    Unions obsoleted themselves when they won federal protections. OSHA keeps them safe, wage rules prevent abuse. This strike us about taking the spotlight off the same sorts of inion management fraud that forced BO to take the obscene actions he took.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello anonymoose,



    I assure you this is quite the same universe.

    Do you think the union is being unreasonable because they are demanding what they felt President Trump promised them but they are not seeing?
    No,, but I don't see how a strike would do any good.
    E.g., soon I will have to announce that I'm liquidating my business. If my employees go on strike to keep me from closing it I'll just close it sooner. I'm not changing my mind. They'd just be out of work sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolongertolerant View Post
    That is because they knew they were being overpaid already for their skills. No way anyone else was going to pay them that much if it went under. Nice try.
    Wrong of course. The unions felt they had to do it to save the companies from going out of business. They took a huge bite to save them. As usual, the companies never think about fair play.
    Obviously you never worked in an auto factory. It is loud, dirty nasty work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    A union goes on strike because they're losing their jobs?
    And boycotting GM will somehow increase the demand for the products there's not enough demand for?
    This sounds like an alternative universe.
    That is not why. They strike to get improved working conditions, healthcare and other benefits. You can thank auto workers for making all the benefits that you get possible. The 40 hour workweek. overtime pay, vacations and safer working conditions among others. There are lots of reasons to strike. This time they gave back a lot to save the companies. The company should have returned the favor. The incredible profits GM got are because of the unions caring about the company staying in business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Trump's America: Profits First!

    "The union has been fighting to stop GM from closing auto assembly plants in Ohio and Michigan, and arguing workers deserve higher pay after years of record profits for GM in North America.

    GM argues the plant shutdowns are necessary responses to market shifts, and that UAW wages and benefits are expensive compared with competing non-union auto plants in southern U.S. states. In its statement, the automaker said its offer to the union included solutions for the Michigan and Ohio assembly plants currently lacking products.

    A person familiar with GM’s offer said that could include producing a future electric vehicle in Detroit.

    It could also include turning a plant in Lordstown, Ohio, into an electric vehicle battery plant or going through with the proposed sale of the plant to a group affiliated with electric vehicle start-up Workhorse Group Inc.

    A new battery plant could give some UAW workers at Lordstown the chance to remain with GM.

    ...

    several Democratic presidential candidates said they backed the UAW, including Senators Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris, former Vice President Joe Biden and Representative Tim Ryan. "

    UAW workers head for picket lines in first national strike against GM since 2007

    Buy no GM products until this is resolved. To do so would be unpatriotic and unsupportive of American labor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello COC,



    That's fine but the UAW votes. The URAW doesn't. Republicans could choose to stand behind their word that they look out for workers, or they could just show their true colors instead. One way gets you votes. The other gets votes against you. Your choice.
    Interesting point. Let the UAW vote themselves out of jobs. Pretty soon the only humans you'll see at the car factories will be in $3000 suits. The UAW can go on permanent strike and no one will care, especially the big wigs at the big 3. Oh sure, the unions might get the democommies elected, but they won't be able stop AMERICAN companies from doing what they have to do to stay in business, or else they'll take the money and run and laugh their asses off at you commies trying to run the S.P.S.P.P.U.T.P.#17(Socialist People's Solar Powered Pick Up Truck Plant #17)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello COC,



    If it's a political stunt the result may be turning a lot of red votes blue.
    Or vice versa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    That is not why.
    Not according to the thread title.
    UAW On Strike Against GM Plan To Close Factories, Lay Off Workers, Despite Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    They strike to get improved working conditions, healthcare and other benefits.
    That's what I thought too. I never heard of striking to keep from getting laid off. Hope it works for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    You can thank auto workers for making all the benefits that you get possible.
    I don't get any benefits. I sign the paychecks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    A union goes on strike because they're losing their jobs?
    And boycotting GM will somehow increase the demand for the products there's not enough demand for?
    This sounds like an alternative universe.
    I've been boycotting GM since 1994......
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