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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I've been boycotting GM since 1994......
    I'll never buy a vehicle from one of the companies that needed a bailout to stay in business.

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    I was buying Ford long before there were bailouts.......most people were......that's WHY they didn't need a bailout.......the last GM in the family was my daughter's Trailblazer.......it was always needing repairs......
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Im guessing thats universal base income.
    Who funds that ?
    Please dont say rich people, that will never happen.
    But of course. OK first consider just how rich the rich are now. Well, that is way way richer than most people think. Then consider that after more labor is eliminated, more profits are showered on the already rich, they are going to be FAR richer than they are today. Since they already have way more than they ever need, they won't miss it if more is paid into the system that must include a UBI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Back to the subject at hand...

    Obama gave UAW an ownership stake in GM so it bears at least partial responsibility for management failings.

    Unions obsoleted themselves when they won federal protections. OSHA keeps them safe, wage rules prevent abuse. This strike us about taking the spotlight off the same sorts of inion management fraud that forced BO to take the obscene actions he took.
    The unions made concessions to help GM avoid bankruptcy. GM is fine now. Time to pay the workers back.
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    Hello anonymoose,

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    No,, but I don't see how a strike would do any good.
    E.g., soon I will have to announce that I'm liquidating my business. If my employees go on strike to keep me from closing it I'll just close it sooner. I'm not changing my mind. They'd just be out of work sooner.
    You act like it is just one group at one plant. Not the case. 49,000 workers spread across numerous locations. They all walked out together. The strike could do them a lot of good if it gets GM to the table with some better proposals. People are uncomfortable shopping for a GM car while this is in the news.
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    Hello Grokmaster,

    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Same UNION who drove them INTO BANKRUPTCY
    And the same company that made a lot of investors and executives very rich.
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    Hello COC,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Interesting point. Let the UAW vote themselves out of jobs. Pretty soon the only humans you'll see at the car factories will be in $3000 suits. The UAW can go on permanent strike and no one will care, especially the big wigs at the big 3. Oh sure, the unions might get the democommies elected, but they won't be able stop AMERICAN companies from doing what they have to do to stay in business, or else they'll take the money and run and laugh their asses off at you commies trying to run the S.P.S.P.P.U.T.P.#17(Socialist People's Solar Powered Pick Up Truck Plant #17)
    That was funny. Purely fictional, but funny. I'm sure the workerless factory is in our future, I'm just not sure when. For now, building cars takes a lot of workers. Corporations have to remember they are employing people, not buying machines. Hard working people deserve to have good pay and benefits. If they are going to make a commitment to work, the company needs to return that with a commitment to employ. Right now, GM has a big problem on their hands. They need to do something. The workers are not trying to be unreasonable. They just want what they think is a fair shake.
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    Hello anonymoose,

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I never heard of striking to keep from getting laid off. Hope it works for them.
    Union member agree to stand up for one another. when one plant gets closed who knows which plant is next? They are not going to just sit around waiting. Talks of plant closures anywhere rattle workers everywhere. They are all striking at all locations. 49,000 workers not working. That should get GM motivated. If people wise up this doesn't have to last long and everybody can get back to work, the plants can start producing again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    But of course. OK first consider just how rich the rich are now. Well, that is way way richer than most people think. Then consider that after more labor is eliminated, more profits are showered on the already rich, they are going to be FAR richer than they are today. Since they already have way more than they ever need, they won't miss it if more is paid into the system that must include a UBI.



    The unions made concessions to help GM avoid bankruptcy. GM is fine now. Time to pay the workers back.
    They didnt avoid bankruptcy.
    Concessions were simply to survive. They are NOT ok as they never solved the issues that killed them to begin with.
    Just because you don't understand it does not make it bad. Celticguy

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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    They didnt avoid bankruptcy.
    Concessions were simply to survive. They are NOT ok as they never solved the issues that killed them to begin with.
    Please elaborate? I have heard that they came back just fine. Why did Dodge take the truck market away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Grokmaster,



    And the same company that made a lot of investors and executives very rich.
    The union saved them. It was the banker crash that crushed them. Like so many other companies , the Bush crash crippled them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Please elaborate? I have heard that they came back just fine. Why did Dodge take the truck market away?
    Had one or two ok years but have fallen off and future not bright. Why ? Prolly because its GM. Electric pickups aint going to help either.

    UAW should take the extension as they did with Ford and Chrysler.
    Just because you don't understand it does not make it bad. Celticguy

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    They make $90k+ not including benefits.
    That proves government motors goes very cheap on materials.
    I wouldn't own a GM if they gave it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Trump's America: Profits First!
    Why not? Capitalism works.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    "The union has been fighting to stop GM from closing auto assembly plants in Ohio and Michigan, and arguing workers deserve higher pay after years of record profits for GM in North America.
    Lie. The UAW is what is forcing GM to close those plants.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    GM argues the plant shutdowns are necessary responses to market shifts, and that UAW wages and benefits are expensive compared with competing non-union auto plants in southern U.S. states.
    There ya go. Q.E.D.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    In its statement, the automaker said its offer to the union included solutions for the Michigan and Ohio assembly plants currently lacking products.
    Well, they tried. The UAW talked itself out of a job.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    A person familiar with GMs offer said that could include producing a future electric vehicle in Detroit.
    Again, the UAW talked itself out of a job.
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    A new battery plant could give some UAW workers at Lordstown the chance to remain with GM.
    GM doesn't make batteries.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    several Democratic presidential candidates said they backed the UAW,
    Of course they do. The UAW is right in the Democrat party's pockets. This strike and the timing of it is designed to make Trump look bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    including Senators Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris, former Vice President Joe Biden and Representative Tim Ryan. "
    Of course. They are socialists. The abhor capitalism, just like the UAW.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Buy no GM products until this is resolved.
    Right. Force GM out of business so they can't hire the workers to build cars. That'll work!
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    To do so would be unpatriotic and unsupportive of American labor.
    There is NO American labor here. They are on strike, dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    Trump should never have forced the unions to strike.
    He didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    .....Republicans won't like him manipulating his new voting base that way.......
    The UAW is not his voting base. They are union bosses wholly in the Democrat party's pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    He didn't.

    The UAW is not his voting base. They are union bosses wholly in the Democrat party's pockets.
    do you need green ink to recognize sarcasm?......
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