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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Had one or two ok years but have fallen off and future not bright. Why ? Prolly because its GM. Electric pickups aint going to help either.

    UAW should take the extension as they did with Ford and Chrysler.
    I see they have earned billions in the last few years after getting concessions from the UAW. Time to make good on the people who built that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    They make $90k+ not including benefits.
    That proves government motors goes very cheap on materials.
    I wouldn't own a GM if they gave it to me.
    You have proof of this? You just pulled that amount out of the air.
    They make about $65k including benefits.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
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    I see they have earned billions in the last few years after getting concessions from the UAW. Time to make good on the people who built that.
    As noted, the outlook is not as rosy.

    General Motors said Thursday it had net profit of $1.1 billion for the first quarter of 2018. The Detroit automaker's pretax profit of $2.6 billion was a decline of $944 million from the same period a year ago. Overall revenue of $36.1 billion was a decline of 3.1% from the same period in 2017.Apr 26, 2018
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    Hello Celticguy,

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    As noted, the outlook is not as rosy.
    I have heard of corporations where if they have a rough patch the executives take no salary before asking the workers for any concessions.
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    Want to end it, pass universal healthcare. I was really annoyed at the debate when the moderator asked if the Dems thought the union workers who fought for good healthcare should give it up for Medicare for all. The unions have had their healthcare chamfered year after year. Less coverage, bigger copays and they know what the future holds. Union workers are not stupid. They want to not have to worry about accidents and injuries destroying their lives.
    Our companies compete across the globe while carrying the cost of healthcare and its administration on their backs. There is nothing that recommends our system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    The union saved them. It was the banker crash that crushed them. Like so many other companies , the Bush crash crippled them.
    complete nonsense. The government bailed out the UAW. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    I have heard of corporations where if they have a rough patch the executives take no salary before asking the workers for any concessions.
    Management is asking no concessions, merely the status quo as occurred with Ford and Chrysler. What makes GM special ?
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    Hello Celticguy,

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    Management is asking no concessions, merely the status quo as occurred with Ford and Chrysler. What makes GM special ?
    They already GOT the concessions when GM was truly struggling to stay alive. Now they are trying to make them permanent and the union is saying no more tiered wages based on the date of hire. $29 an hour is not too much to be paid for building cars. Management has filled a lot of positions with temps making $15. And there is another tier that can never get to $29 under the current concessions. That needs to go away.

    49,000 workers walked out at over 50 facilities.

    GM can't run a business long without workers.

    They need to get serious and make some concessions to the wealthy. This is about more than profits. It's about people and communities. It's about the heartbeat of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    do you need green ink to recognize sarcasm?......
    He misses sarcasm from time to time, but then again, sarcasm is not always the clearest when it is in text format, as opposed to interpersonal format, especially when it gets blended in with many liberal and/or non-sarcastic responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Management is asking no concessions, merely the status quo as occurred with Ford and Chrysler. What makes GM special ?
    Ford and Chrysler have an extension until the GM contract is settled. Then they will have their negotiations for a new contract.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello elticguy,



    They already GOT the concessions when GM was truly struggling to stay alive. Now they are trying to make them permanent and the union is saying no more tiered wages based on the date of hire. $29 an hour is not too much to be paid for building cars. Management has filled a lot of positions with temps making $15. And there is another tier that can never get to $29 under the current concessions. That needs to go away.

    49,000 workers walked out at over 50 facilities.

    GM can't run a business long without workers.

    They need to get serious and make some concessions to the wealthy. This is about more than profits. It's about people and communities. It's about the heartbeat of America.
    So they are going down the tubes paying what you want for them. They are surviving with reduced overhead.
    Cant survive without labor.
    Cant survive overpaying labor.
    Maybe this time they do a proper reorganization where they can fix the problems that prevent failure ?
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    So they are going down the tubes paying what you want for them. They are surviving with reduced overhead.
    Cant survive without labor.
    Cant survive overpaying labor.
    Maybe this time they do a proper reorganization where they can fix the problems that prevent failure ?
    Maybe they think about cutting corporate profits and executive pay for a while as they compete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Maybe they think about cutting corporate profits and executive pay for a while as they compete.
    A lot of it is health insurance expenses.

    Workers shouldn't have to depend on their employers for health insurance.
    That's a very outdated, inefficient, and ineffective system.

    The United Kingdom showed us that after World War II. Tax-funded National Health Service is the world standard, but far be it from us to keep up with the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Maybe they think about cutting corporate profits and executive pay for a while as they compete.
    In the mid 2000's Chrysler gave their executives a bonus of 100% then a couple months later told the UAW if they didn't take a pay cut in the next contract they would shut down plants.
    They will not cut executive pay or profit no matter what.
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    Since 2007, auto workers are hired at 14 bucks an hour. I believe it has gone to 15 and change in the last decade. They make 16 to 20 an hour when they arrive at full pay. Their benefits have been weakened and protections crippled. Working in an auto plant is a tough job.

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