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    McCabe team pressures DOJ to show cards amid grand jury speculation


    US attorney recommends charges against Andrew McCabe after DOJ rejects last-ditch appeal.
    Republicans praise Department of Justice's rejection of former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe's appeal; chief White House correspondent John Roberts reports.

    A lawyer for Andrew McCabe, the former FBI official facing the possibility of federal charges, is making a fresh attempt to pressure prosecutors to drop the case against him – citing supposed "rumors" that a grand jury has already declined to indict him.

    Grand jury proceedings are highly secretive, and the status of McCabe's case remains unclear. Speculation was widespread earlier Thursday that he could soon be facing prosecution as U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu recommended moving forward with charges, and the DOJ rejected a last-ditch appeal from McCabe.

    But in an unusual email sent Thursday night and obtained by Fox News, McCabe's legal team sought to pressure the Justice Department to show its cards, citing “rumors from reporters starting this morning that the grand jury considering charges against Mr. McCabe had declined to vote an indictment.”

    Attorney Michael Bromwich said if this is the case, “the only fair and just result is for you to accept the grand jury’s decision and end these proceedings.” They urged the DOJ not to "resubmit" the case if "the evidence presented by your office was insufficient to convince 12 members of the grand jury to find probable cause to believe that Mr. McCabe had committed any crimes."

    In another email, Bromwich wrote, "Please confirm that if this in fact occurred, you would advise us promptly."

    McCabe, who was recently hired by CNN as a contributor, is the former deputy and acting director of the FBI, who spent 21 years at the bureau.

    The potential charges relate to DOJ inspector general findings against him regarding misleading statements concerning a Hillary Clinton-related investigation. Last month, a source close to the process told Fox News that McCabe had a “target on his back” because of the Justice Department inspector general findings that said he misled investigators about his role in a leak to the Wall Street Journal in a story about the Clinton Foundation.

    It is rare for a grand jury not to indict when presented evidence by prosecutors.

    But Bromwich cited two news stories suggesting that could be the case. The letter was sent to U.S. Attorney Liu, as well as prosecutors in the Justice Department.


    “We do not know the specific basis for the rumors, but they were credible enough that both the NY Times and Washington Post published stories suggesting that the grand jury may have declined to vote in favor of charges,” Bromwich said.
    Rep. Andy Biggs says charges against Andrew McCabe are warranted and dueVideo

    The Washington Post reported Thursday that a grand jury was recently “summoned back after a months-long hiatus to consider the case” but “came and went with no public charges being filed.” The New York Times on Thursday cited the Washington Post’s reporting.

    Fox News reported Thursday that Liu recommended moving forward with charges against McCabe, and McCabe appealed the decision of the U.S. attorney for Washington all the way up to Jeffrey Rosen, the deputy attorney general under Bill Barr. But Rosen rejected that request, according to a person familiar with the situation.



    McCabe’s legal team recently met with Liu in person to make an appeal not to move forward with any prosecution. They also met with Rosen, in person, for the same reason, according to a person familiar with the meetings.
    Jake Gibson is a producer working at the Fox News Washington bureau who covers politics, law enforcement and intelligence issues.

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    HAHAHA, how epic will it be if the Grand Jury refused to indict! HAHAHAHAHAHA, ROTFLMAO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    McCabe team pressures DOJ to show cards amid grand jury speculation


    US attorney recommends charges against Andrew McCabe after DOJ rejects last-ditch appeal.
    Republicans praise Department of Justice's rejection of former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe's appeal; chief White House correspondent John Roberts reports.

    A lawyer for Andrew McCabe, the former FBI official facing the possibility of federal charges, is making a fresh attempt to pressure prosecutors to drop the case against him – citing supposed "rumors" that a grand jury has already declined to indict him.

    Grand jury proceedings are highly secretive, and the status of McCabe's case remains unclear. Speculation was widespread earlier Thursday that he could soon be facing prosecution as U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu recommended moving forward with charges, and the DOJ rejected a last-ditch appeal from McCabe.

    But in an unusual email sent Thursday night and obtained by Fox News, McCabe's legal team sought to pressure the Justice Department to show its cards, citing “rumors from reporters starting this morning that the grand jury considering charges against Mr. McCabe had declined to vote an indictment.”

    Attorney Michael Bromwich said if this is the case, “the only fair and just result is for you to accept the grand jury’s decision and end these proceedings.” They urged the DOJ not to "resubmit" the case if "the evidence presented by your office was insufficient to convince 12 members of the grand jury to find probable cause to believe that Mr. McCabe had committed any crimes."

    In another email, Bromwich wrote, "Please confirm that if this in fact occurred, you would advise us promptly."

    McCabe, who was recently hired by CNN as a contributor, is the former deputy and acting director of the FBI, who spent 21 years at the bureau.

    The potential charges relate to DOJ inspector general findings against him regarding misleading statements concerning a Hillary Clinton-related investigation. Last month, a source close to the process told Fox News that McCabe had a “target on his back” because of the Justice Department inspector general findings that said he misled investigators about his role in a leak to the Wall Street Journal in a story about the Clinton Foundation.

    It is rare for a grand jury not to indict when presented evidence by prosecutors.

    But Bromwich cited two news stories suggesting that could be the case. The letter was sent to U.S. Attorney Liu, as well as prosecutors in the Justice Department.


    “We do not know the specific basis for the rumors, but they were credible enough that both the NY Times and Washington Post published stories suggesting that the grand jury may have declined to vote in favor of charges,” Bromwich said.
    Rep. Andy Biggs says charges against Andrew McCabe are warranted and dueVideo

    The Washington Post reported Thursday that a grand jury was recently “summoned back after a months-long hiatus to consider the case” but “came and went with no public charges being filed.” The New York Times on Thursday cited the Washington Post’s reporting.

    Fox News reported Thursday that Liu recommended moving forward with charges against McCabe, and McCabe appealed the decision of the U.S. attorney for Washington all the way up to Jeffrey Rosen, the deputy attorney general under Bill Barr. But Rosen rejected that request, according to a person familiar with the situation.



    McCabe’s legal team recently met with Liu in person to make an appeal not to move forward with any prosecution. They also met with Rosen, in person, for the same reason, according to a person familiar with the meetings.
    Jake Gibson is a producer working at the Fox News Washington bureau who covers politics, law enforcement and intelligence issues.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...-to-show-cards
    No leaks from the BARR/DURHAM investigation.....driving the left wing nuts bat shit crazy. The drip, drip, drip of documented evidence from the NEW DOJ must be torture to those who know the JIG IS UP...they are just waiting for the hammer to fall. Each day new documentation from within the former BHO administration deep state plants is being made public news. Again the problem with the propaganda the mocking bird Marxist media is producing in an attempt to get in from of the indictments coming down the pike...., NOTHING "TRUMPS" documented evidence.

    Every time they produce FAKE NEWS......new documented evidence proves them to be liars. Look at the egg on the faces of the Times, CNN, NBC....each caught propagating lies as truth in the recent days, and weeks.

    They are all pushing the fake pending economic recession......declaring that IF THE FEDS drop interest rates it will cause a recession.....strange is the documented fact, over the past 2 decades they have declared the opposite....if the feds don't drop the interest rates it will cause a recession. Its a most enjoyable thing watching as they do 180 circles, spinning and spinning until they can't even remember what position they had taken yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    HAHAHA, how epic will it be if the Grand Jury refused to indict! HAHAHAHAHAHA, ROTFLMAO.
    But on the moronic thread you started, you indicated that there was no McCabe indictment. Were you lying? Again?
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    Priceless: citing “rumors from reporters starting this morning that the grand jury considering charges against Mr. McCabe had declined to vote an indictment.”
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    thing is leaking is rarely prosecuted, as is the lying - and him getting fired just before his pension kicked in might be enough for a DC grand jury. they might consider that enough punishment

    On the other hand getting him indicted and rolling over on Comey ( fr FISA abuse) would be helpful..

    Barr/Durham are getting loaded for bear -and the shit WILL hit the fan -
    the only question is which of the players gets the shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    HAHAHA, how epic will it be if the Grand Jury refused to indict! HAHAHAHAHAHA, ROTFLMAO.
    McCabe is not a person worth defending against his egregious behavior

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    McCabe is not a person worth defending against his egregious behavior
    Both McCabe and Comey are low hanging fruit....BARR and DURHAM already have he goods on both of them. They are simply applying daily pressure...waiting for the circular firing squad to fire the first volley in order to climb further and further up this tree of corruption. Look for FLYNN to be totally exonerated...when you see that flag drop, its Kattie BarR the door. There will be a biblical flood of indictments.....there are 10s of thousands of sealed indictment just waiting to be opened.

    Barr is schooling the left wing on how to "play" politics for blood. There will be a 2020 surprise...that will slam the door shut on any thought of a left wing seizure of power.

    It would not surprise anyone in the least if they attempt to "EPSTEIN" Mr. Barr like they did Judge Scalia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    thing is leaking is rarely prosecuted, as is the lying - and him getting fired just before his pension kicked in might be enough for a DC grand jury. they might consider that enough punishment

    On the other hand getting him indicted and rolling over on Comey ( fr FISA abuse) would be helpful..

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    the only question is which of the players gets the shit
    Might have been Bromwich who leaked the "rumor" earlier, too.
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    This from 9/12......

    Breaking Down the Report of an Imminent McCabe Indictment
    By Andrew C. McCarthy

    September 12, 2019 5:11 PM

    ...the facts of the case against McCabe are attractive for prosecutors. For one thing, these facts are unrelated to Trump. While McCabe was among the principal investigators in the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, his leak did not involve that probe. Rather, he leaked the existence of the FBI’s Clinton Foundation investigation. Even in congressional testimony, the FBI’s then-director, James Comey, had tried to keep the existence of that investigation confidential (as the FBI customarily does with investigations). Yet McCabe orchestrated the leak, apparently for personal reasons — viz., to refute the suggestion that he and the FBI were in the tank for Clinton.

    Moreover, according to the IG, McCabe at one point dressed down the FBI’s chiefs in New York and Washington, as if their field offices were responsible for the leak. That is, he knew that he himself was the culprit, yet he tried to shift suspicion and blame to innocent agents. If proved, that is the kind of fact that would not endear McCabe to a jury. It would also make it hard for him to portray himself as a fundamentally honest guy who would never deceive other FBI agents.
    more at https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nt-indictment/

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    From 9/14......

    Why It’s Unlikely the McCabe Grand Jury Voted against Indictment
    By Andrew C. McCarthy

    September 14, 2019 9:10 AM

    Despite swirling rumors, there’s no reason to infer a grand jury has rejected a proposed indictment of Andrew McCabe.

    In coverage of the Andrew McCabe investigation, there seems to be a lot of adding two plus two and coming up with five.

    The New York Times and Washington Post have reported that a grand jury met on Thursday in connection with a probe involving McCabe, the FBI’s former deputy director. As I write this column on Friday evening, no indictment has been returned against McCabe. From this, and what seems to be some hopeful speculation about “hints of the case’s weakness” that could possibly have caused grand jurors to “balk,” the Times and the Post suggest that maybe the grand jury has voted against an indictment.

    This supposition has prompted a letter to the Justice Department from McCabe’s attorney, Michael Bromwich — a former colleague of mine who, besides being a skilled and shrewd attorney, is a Democrat and was last seen representing Christine Blasey Ford, Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser. Bromwich says he is hearing “rumors from reporters” about the filing of a “no true bill” — i.e., a grand-jury vote rejecting a proposed indictment of McCabe.

    While conceding that he “do[es] not know the specific basis for the rumors,” Bromwich intuits that they must be reliable because the newspapers ran with the story. Mind you, neither the Times nor the Post claims to have been told by any grand jurors that they declined to indict McCabe; nor do they report hearing from any knowledgeable government official that a no true bill was voted. Nevertheless, McCabe’s legal team is demanding that the Justice Department disclose whether an indictment was declined and refrain from seeking an indictment in the future.

    This gambit, of course, floats the narrative that the case against McCabe must be crumbling — the media reports spur the Bromwich letter, which spur more media reports, rinse and repeat. But even allowing for the erosion of standards, this is thin gruel for both news reporting and legal claims.

    I’ll add more detail presently. To cut to the chase, though, there is no reason at this point to infer that the grand jury has voted against indicting McCabe.

    Now, let’s back up.

    As I reiterated in a column on Thursday, the criminal probe of McCabe stems, at least in part, from an investigation by Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz. That inquest centered on McCabe’s orchestration of a leak to the Wall Street Journal of investigative information — specifically, of the fact that the FBI was investigating the Clinton Foundation. McCabe is alleged to have lied in several interviews by FBI agents. It is a crime to make false statements to investigators. IG Horowitz outlined the false-statements allegations against McCabe in a meticulous 35-page report, filed in February 2018.

    As is required when the IG turns up evidence of potential criminal conduct, the matter was referred to the Justice Department for consideration of whether charges should be filed. Because the IG probe and the alleged false statements occurred in Washington, the matter ended up in the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia.

    There, the U.S. attorney, Jesse Liu, has reportedly decided that there is enough evidence to charge felonies. Bromwich, however, was permitted to appeal Liu’s decision to the Justice Department — specifically, to Jeffrey Rosen, the deputy attorney general. According to media reports, DAG Rosen was unpersuaded; the Justice Department thus advised the McCabe defense team in an email that their appeal has been rejected, and that any further questions should be taken up with U.S. Attorney Liu’s office.

    It was assumed when this news broke on Thursday that the Justice Department’s rejection was the last hurdle standing in the way of charges, and therefore that an indictment must be imminent. It has now been reported that, although the grand jury met on Thursday, no indictment was filed.

    That, however, is no reason to conclude that an indictment was sought, much less that the grand jury declined to vote one.

    Let me begin with the basics. No competent federal prosecutor should ever get a no true bill from a grand jury. In nearly 20 years as a prosecutor, it not only never happened to me; I could count on one hand the number of times I heard of it happening to any other prosecutor in the office, and still have fingers to spare.

    This is not because of the old saw that the deck is so stacked against a suspect in grand-jury proceedings that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich. To be sure, grand-jury proceedings are very one-sided. Still, there are many cases that grand juries do not like and would not charge. Nevertheless, these cases do not result in no true bills. Instead, there is steady dialogue between the prosecutors and the grand jurors over each case. The latter ask questions and, when they are troubled, convey that fact to the former. Before submitting a proposed indictment, it is customary for the prosecutor to ask whether the grand jurors believe they have heard enough evidence, whether they would like to hear from other witnesses, whether they have other concerns, or whether they would like to consider an indictment. The prosecutor is well aware if the grand jury has doubts about the case; if there are indications that the grand jury is not inclined to vote for charges, the prosecutor simply refrains from presenting an indictment.

    Bear in mind, moreover, that a grand jury, unlike a trial jury, is not being asked to find proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Its modest task is to determine whether a significantly lower proof hurdle — probable cause — has been met. Also unlike a trial jury, the grand jury need not be unanimous; federal grand juries have up to 23 members, and only 12 need assent for an indictment to be approved. The grand jurors know they are not being asked to convict anyone; just to determine that there is enough evidence to warrant having a trial, at which the defendant will be given all the due-process protections the Constitution ensures. And double-jeopardy principles are not in play at the grand-jury stage as they are at trial: On the rare occasion that a federal grand jury votes a no true bill, prosecutors are free to re-present the case to the same or another grand jury.

    Assuming that the false statements capably outlined in the Horowitz report are the only potential crimes under consideration, it is hard to believe any grand jury could find insufficient probable cause to indict. Even McCabe is not claiming that what he told investigators was true; he seems to be saying he didn’t mean to lie (multiple times). When a suspect has committed all the acts necessary for a penal offense, and the only question is whether he had criminal intent, probable cause is usually a given.

    Of course, we do not know that the false statements are the only matters under consideration, or even that McCabe is the only subject of the grand jury’s investigation. It is entirely possible that the grand jury has not yet been asked to indict because relevant conduct is still under consideration — conduct related to McCabe, related to other suspects, or both.

    And then there is the matter of prejudice to consider.

    Besides the ongoing grand-jury investigation of McCabe’s alleged false statements, the former deputy director is also among the current and former officials who are subjects of another IG probe of abuses of power in the Russia investigation. On Friday evening, IG Horowitz wrote a letter to leaders of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees, explaining that his report is substantially complete and is undergoing a classification review to determine what portions may be disclosed. We can safely assume, then, that the release of that report, which is apt to be explosive, is imminent. Meanwhile, Connecticut U.S. attorney John Durham also has an ongoing investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation. There have been reports that Durham is using a grand jury to gather evidence and testimony.

    Why are these other investigations germane to what is happening with the Washington grand jury? Well, sometimes, when a suspect is under scrutiny in multiple investigations, the Justice Department will ask the court to seal any indictments returned by the grand jury. That way, there can be no credible claim that the grand jurors in one case were swayed by allegations filed by another grand jury. Relatedly, sometimes if a grand jury’s investigation has not yet been completed, but a major development in another investigation involving the subject — such as an IG report — is about to occur, the Justice Department will ask the grand jury to file charges, but then seal the indictment. That way, it cannot credibly be said that the grand jury’s decision to indict was swayed by negative publicity surrounding developments in the other investigation.

    That is to say, there could be a dozen or more good explanations for why there has been no public announcement of a McCabe indictment. The other investigations could be complicating things. It could be that the Washington grand jury’s investigation is broader in scope than we’ve been led to believe. It could be something as simple as the availability of necessary witnesses, the availability of enough grand jurors to constitute a quorum, or the happenstance that the case is taking more time to present than the defense lawyers and media think it should.
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    It is certainly possible that, if there were a trial, the false-statements case against McCabe would seem less compelling than Horowitz’s report makes it appear. It is conceivable that the U.S. attorney will decide against charges. Note that in the email to McCabe’s lawyers, the Justice Department said only that his appeal was rejected; DAG Rosen does not appear to have instructed U.S. Attorney Liu to file an indictment, but rather to have left that call up to her. For all we know, Liu could decide not to seek an indictment: Maybe she’ll calculate that a trial jury in Trump-hostile Washington might be too sympathetic to McCabe’s claim that he is being investigated because of a political vendetta; or maybe she’ll prove to be risk-averse regarding a case in which an acquittal would be embarrassing.

    Such developments would surprise me, but I wouldn’t be shocked. What would shock me, though, is if the experienced federal prosecutors handling McCabe’s case bungled their way into a no true bill. If I had to bet, I think it’s unlikely McCabe escapes indictment. If he does, though, it will be because his lawyers talked prosecutors out of seeking one, not because the grand jury declined to charge him.

    Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at National Review Institute and an NR contributing editor. His new book, Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency, is available for pre-order and will be released by Encounter Books on August 13. @AndrewCMcCarthy

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    It is amazing what rightys believe. The ability to be conned is not just Trump, but the entire right-wing fantasy world of hate and lies. You guys are sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    It is amazing what rightys believe. The ability to be conned is not just Trump, but the entire right-wing fantasy world of hate and lies. You guys are sad.
    That McCabe was cleared by a Grand Jury is a rumor lol.

    The Russian Hoax was kept afloat on a sea of lies and rumors very similar to this one with McCabe.

    But since the rumor is out there and we’re forced to speculate about it, my opinion is that the IG charges against him were sufficient to get a Grand Jury indictment—but for whatever reason, they are choosing to sit on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    That McCabe was cleared by a Grand Jury is a rumor lol.

    The Russian Hoax was kept afloat on a sea of lies and rumors very similar to this one with McCabe.

    But since the rumor is out there and we’re forced to speculate about it, my opinion is that the IG charges against him were sufficient to get a Grand Jury indictment—but for whatever reason, they are choosing to sit on it.
    it might be a sealed indictment, pending the release of the Horowitz FISA report (just finished)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it might be a sealed indictment, pending the release of the Horowitz FISA report (just finished)
    A logical guess since it makes sense to see the Horowitz FISA report, finally.

    As someone said, the leaking/lying charge is low hanging fruit anyway. Recall that ‘Andy’ maybe involved with the ‘insurance policy’. If all of that went on it’s going to take a lot of sorting out on the part of the prosecution since the Clinton email investigation over lapped with the early Russian investigation.

    Take your time, get your ducks in a row. Makes sense.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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