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    In the most contentious Democratic debate thus far, a winnowed field of 10 Democratic candidates took the stage in Houston Thursday night and sparred over hot-button issues such as health care and immigration.

    Notably, this was the first time that frontrunners Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former Vice President Joe Biden shared the debate stage.

    Warren and Biden exhibited stark differences on style, policy and vision for the Democratic Party, embodying two opposing theories of what the party should be.


    This divide was apparent during an explosive debate over health care, during which Biden went on the attack against Warren, D-Mass., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., for the hidden costs associated with their “Medicare-for-all plans.”

    Warren deflected when asked if middle-class taxes will go up to pay for “Medicare for all,” saying total costs would go down – but not explicitly stating whether taxes for middle-class families would increase.

    “What we're talking about here is what's going to happen in families' pockets,” Warren said.

    “This is about candor, honesty,” Biden retorted. “There will be a deductible – in your paycheck ... someone making 60 grand with three kids, they're going to end up paying $5,000 more.”
    Though many were watching Warren expecting her to deliver a knockout performance, the senator fell somewhat short of that expectation. While this will likely not impact Warren’s standing in the presidential race at this early stage – which according to most polls is a close second behind Biden – she did not have the debate moment that many were anticipating.

    On the other hand, the first 30 minutes of the debate during the health care discussion were arguably Biden’s best moments on the campaign trail to date. Though the former vice president’s performance was not perfect, he exhibited a much-needed display of strength and preparedness.

    Aside from Biden’s generally strong performance, he compellingly and convincingly delivered his core message of restoring, protecting and rebuilding the Obama-Biden record.

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    “The senator says she's for Bernie. Well, I'm for Barack,” Biden said about Warren's support for “Medicare-for-all,” referencing last month’s debate, when Warren said she completely agreed with Sanders on “Medicare-for-all.”

    At the previous debate, several progressive candidates took aim at former President Obama’s legacy on health care as a way to attack Biden on his record.

    However, in a marked reversal, both Warren and Sen. Kamala Harris of California – who sharply criticized Obama in the last debate – praised the former president for the positive systematic changes to health care that came as a result of ObamaCare.

    Indeed, if there was an absentee winner of the debate, it was Obama. Aside from Biden, one of the clearest, and most concise health care arguments came from Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, who has polled consistently in the low single-digits and had yet to have a strong debate moment before Thursday night.

    Klobuchar said that although Sanders may have written the “Medicare-for-all” bill, she “actually read the bill,” noting that under Sanders’ plan “we will no longer have private insurance as we know it” – resulting in millions of Americans losing their private insurance.

    Similar to previous debates, the discussion of immigration had Biden on the defensive over the 3 million undocumented immigrants that were deported under the Obama administration.

    Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, in particular, took aim at Biden, using the moment to attack Biden for “taking credit” for positive elements of the Obama legacy and distancing himself from criticism.

    “He wants to take credit for Obama's work but not have to answer any questions,” Castro said of Biden.

    These attacks largely fell flat, as did Castro’s attempted jab at Biden’s age, and will surely not result in a post-debate polling spike for Castro that other candidates have experienced after attacking Biden during a debate.

    “I stand with Barack Obama all eight years – good, bad, and indifferent,” Biden said in response to the immigration attacks, once again reverting to his campaign message of restoring, protecting and rebuilding the Obama-Biden record.

    Aside from Castro’s attacks, throughout the entire night Sanders was the candidate who attacked Biden the most. He went after the former vice president not just on health care, but also on corporations, Biden’s vote in favor of the Iraq war as a senator, and trade.

    But while Sanders was one of the more vocal candidates, he did not deliver the performance he needed to in order to pull ahead of Biden or Warren in the polls.

    Ultimately, Biden’s impressive – though not perfect – performance was a much-needed display of strength and preparedness and will likely solidify his frontrunner status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    “The senator says she's for Bernie. Well, I'm for Barack,” Biden said ...
    Too bad The Obama isn't for him lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    “The senator says she's for Bernie. Well, I'm for Barack,” Biden said about Warren's support for “Medicare-for-all,” referencing last month’s debate, when Warren said she completely agreed with Sanders on “Medicare-for-all.”

    At the previous debate, several progressive candidates took aim at former President Obama’s legacy on health care as a way to attack Biden on his record.

    However, in a marked reversal, both Warren and Sen. Kamala Harris of California – who sharply criticized Obama in the last debate – praised the former president for the positive systematic changes to health care that came as a result of ObamaCare.

    Indeed, if there was an absentee winner of the debate, it was Obama. Aside from Biden, one of the clearest, and most concise health care arguments came from Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, who has polled consistently in the low single-digits and had yet to have a strong debate moment before Thursday night.

    Klobuchar said that although Sanders may have written the “Medicare-for-all” bill, she “actually read the bill,” noting that under Sanders’ plan “we will no longer have private insurance as we know it” – resulting in millions of Americans losing their private insurance.

    Similar to previous debates, the discussion of immigration had Biden on the defensive over the 3 million undocumented immigrants that were deported under the Obama administration.

    Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, in particular, took aim at Biden, using the moment to attack Biden for “taking credit” for positive elements of the Obama legacy and distancing himself from criticism.

    “He wants to take credit for Obama's work but not have to answer any questions,” Castro said of Biden.

    These attacks largely fell flat, as did Castro’s attempted jab at Biden’s age, and will surely not result in a post-debate polling spike for Castro that other candidates have experienced after attacking Biden during a debate.

    “I stand with Barack Obama all eight years – good, bad, and indifferent,” Biden said in response to the immigration attacks, once again reverting to his campaign message of restoring, protecting and rebuilding the Obama-Biden record.

    Aside from Castro’s attacks, throughout the entire night Sanders was the candidate who attacked Biden the most. He went after the former vice president not just on health care, but also on corporations, Biden’s vote in favor of the Iraq war as a senator, and trade.

    But while Sanders was one of the more vocal candidates, he did not deliver the performance he needed to in order to pull ahead of Biden or Warren in the polls.

    Ultimately, Biden’s impressive – though not perfect – performance was a much-needed display of strength and preparedness and will likely solidify his frontrunner status.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/doug...urprise-losers
    Thnx for posting a thread about the debates..

    Was waiting around last night for someone (D) to post one & take a victory lap but, huh..........

    Anyway it was a bit lackluster & I hung in there for most of it..

    That Amy, IMHO seemed to stand out most to me, along w/ Beto. I had not heard much from her previously but she seems pretty reasonable & moderate.. Beto because he finally got some air time & saying he would take guns was prob not the smartest move, if he makes it to the general election, but who knows, maybe the country is finally ready??

    IMHO Harris was lack luster as shit, & sadly she seemed out of it, slow & glossy eyed & lost in self talk/praise-doubling down on the time limit is always a pisser IMHO-I hate that..

    Don't think Yang got much of a bang for his bucks & he kinda struggled to get his peeves in there..

    Bernie & Warren did well but I don't think either gained a lot of ground or cleared anything up as to costs..

    I think Booker did his best showing IMHO.. I would def consider voting for him if he was running for President of Newark, but I don't see a clear strategy as to why President of the USA??

    Castro prob knock himself out & seemed bent on one issue anyway..

    Good O Joe........ He didn't look to great last night, slightly slow & slightly confused but he sharpen up thanks to Castro wrongly attacking him.. I think it was also wise of him, from a political perspective, to avoid & jiggle the questions related to his past record.....

    I would say I was disappointed about the discussion of China but I had pretty low expectations..

    They wasted their time stating the obvious-PROBLEM but not solutions.. Yang seemed more in tune/aware of the issue from a tech side, but what he would do about it is anyone's guess.

    My 2cents
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post

    Was waiting around last night for someone (D) to post one & take a victory lap but, huh..........
    yes.....
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    NO CREAPY JOE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    NO CREAPY JOE!
    Aside from Biden, one of the clearest, and most concise health care arguments came from Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, who has polled consistently in the low single-digits and had yet to have a strong debate moment before Thursday night.
    shes your best shot

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    And STILL LEADING TRUMP 9-12 PTS. on every poll.
    WK1 3/28-/4 _Cases 301k--Dead 18.1k Lethality 2.72%
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    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    And STILL LEADING TRUMP 9-12 PTS. on every poll.
    Take the bet! After all, a Party of the Jackass victory is all but finished right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    And STILL LEADING TRUMP 9-12 PTS. on every poll.
    *whispers*electoral college*whispers*.......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Socialized medicine is the standard for the entire civilized world.
    We cannot be considered part of the latter as long as we don't have the former.

    Pay for healthcare with your taxes and all the money goes to the healthcare.
    Pay for health care with your premiums and half of the money goes to insurance company profits.
    It's a no-brainer, and only American conservatives are too stupid to realize that.

    Ultimately, Medicare for all is only a half-way measure.
    That's public funding of private services which is still too expensive.
    We need public services--a National Health Service just like the United Kingdom's.
    The entire health care industry from prenatal to hospice care should be deprivatized.
    There are plenty of other industries to be run for profit.
    Like prisons, health care should not be one of them.

    Also, if you WANT to have private insurance, that's your business--but as with public schools, you'll have to pay the taxes for public health care anyway.
    That's how civilized and intelligent nations operate.
    How the hell long is it going to take us to become one of those?

    That's why I favor separate Blue and Red Americas. We don't have compatible values and will never be content living with the same government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Socialized medicine is the standard for the entire civilized world.
    We cannot be considered part of the latter as long as we don't have the former.

    Pay for healthcare with your taxes and all the money goes to the healthcare.
    Pay for health care with your premiums and half of the money goes to insurance company profits.
    It's a no-brainer, and only American conservatives are too stupid to realize that.

    Ultimately, Medicare for all is only a half-way measure.
    That's public funding of private services which is still too expensive.
    We need public services--a National Health Service just like the United Kingdom's.
    The entire health care industry from prenatal to hospice care should be deprivatized.
    There are plenty of other industries to be run for profit.
    Like prisons, health care should not be one of them.

    Also, if you WANT to have private insurance, that's your business--but as with public schools, you'll have to pay the taxes for public health care anyway.
    That's how civilized and intelligent nations operate.
    How the hell long is it going to take us to become one of those?

    That's why I favor separate Blue and Red Americas. We don't have compatible values and will never be content living with the same government.
    Buy your own dam health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    Buy your own dam health care.
    One of the facts conservatives fail to understand regarding health care is that when less people have it it costs the rest of us more. When people flock to the ER due to a lack of preventive care it drives hospital costs up for everyone including the insurance companies who pay for clients medical care. In the end, the cost winds up with the consumer

    Easy being a tough guy with rhetoric, but if you think thru the actual issue, which conservatives seldom do on any issue, it has effects far beyond just getting health care

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    One of the facts conservatives fail to understand regarding health care is that when less people have it it costs the rest of us more. When people flock to the ER due to a lack of preventive care it drives hospital costs up for everyone including the insurance companies who pay for clients medical care. In the end, the cost winds up with the consumer

    Easy being a tough guy with rhetoric, but if you think thru the actual issue, which conservatives seldom do on any issue, it has effects far beyond just getting health care
    One of the facts that liberals don't understand is that if they want to force people to buy insurance, there is precedent for that at the State level. And that conservatives from outside your state care little about laws you pass in your state.

    The other thing that liberals will never understand is that individuals making their own decisions in a free market is always more efficient that FedCo or StateCo making decisions for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    One of the facts conservatives fail to understand regarding health care is that when less people have it it costs the rest of us more. When people flock to the ER due to a lack of preventive care it drives hospital costs up for everyone including the insurance companies who pay for clients medical care. In the end, the cost winds up with the consumer

    Easy being a tough guy with rhetoric, but if you think thru the actual issue, which conservatives seldom do on any issue, it has effects far beyond just getting health care
    They don't want to get it. It is math. It is simple math.

    I will reiterate, for the umpteenth time. If society makes the decision, no money, no insurance then NO MEDICAL CARE, then state it and codify it. Doctors, hospitals, providers, states, counties will be held harmless. Make it date certain with plenty of notice and get notify everyone up and down the healthcare channels. If you can't afford care, it's no one else's RESPONSIBILITY. Do not show up at any service providers doors. You won't be treated.

    It must be made LEGAL not to TREAT!

    Republicans could start processes and legislation YESTERDAY. And everyone of them knows it.
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    WK2 4/5-/13 _Cases 555k--Dead 22.1K Lethality 3.9%
    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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