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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    So you want to cut out those studies all together? A world without art? A world that doesn't study social trends? I can't imagine that would be a better world.

    I think a better approach is to make it clear what the expected life is for people who get specific degrees and let them decide.
    We would probably still have art without art history majors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    the Dems are proposing NEW federal funding, you didn't catch that part?
    Educational funding has increased faster than inflation. At many schools the number of teachers and students has remained stable or declined but the number of administrators has increased.

    Most major problems of education cannot be helped by spending more money. And nobody wants the additional regulations and paperwork that would accompany more federal funds. Teachers have to waste too much time now doing needs assessment, learning goals, etc. that nobody ever uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Educational funding has increased faster than inflation. At many schools the number of teachers and students has remained stable or declined but the number of administrators has increased.

    Most major problems of education cannot be helped by spending more money. And nobody wants the additional regulations and paperwork that would accompany more federal funds. Teachers have to waste too much time now doing needs assessment, learning goals, etc. that nobody ever uses.
    That's the thing man, when people talk about education 99% of it seems to center around funding. Basically saying the status quo of our system is fine, it just needs more money. And that's why very little changes, even when we increase funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Educational funding has increased faster than inflation. At many schools the number of teachers and students has remained stable or declined but the number of administrators has increased.

    Most major problems of education cannot be helped by spending more money. And nobody wants the additional regulations and paperwork that would accompany more federal funds. Teachers have to waste too much time now doing needs assessment, learning goals, etc. that nobody ever uses.

    you're welcome to your opinion of course, sure ain't mine though

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    That's the thing man, when people talk about education 99% of it seems to center around funding. Basically saying the status quo of our system is fine, it just needs more money. And that's why very little changes, even when we increase funding.
    Too much of public education, especially at the secondary level, involves teachers doing little or nothing in class. My granddaughter is in 10th grade and likes art but complains because all they do is watch movies in class. There is some really good education that occurs, but for those choosing to do nothing they still pass. Many have never read a book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    you're welcome to your opinion of course, sure ain't mine though
    Most of those comments are facts, not opinion. That is based on 45 years in secondary and higher education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    Racist white people never wanted Blacks educated.

    That still has an effect on today society.

    Until slavery and racism is addressed in this country we will never move forward.

    We remember the holocust
    We remember Pearl Harbor
    We remember 9/11
    We should forget slavery
    Wrong.

    Until people like you stop obsessing over it and refuse to move on, it will always be with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    Racist white people never wanted Blacks educated.

    That still has an effect on today society.

    Until slavery and racism is addressed in this country we will never move forward.

    We remember the holocust
    We remember Pearl Harbor
    We remember 9/11
    We should forget slavery
    Good point...
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    I want a refund for all my tuition and interest on that sum at 10 percent for 30 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I want a refund for all my tuition and interest on that sum at 10 percent for 30 years
    Cry more bitch
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    There is an injustice in giving away what others have paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Good point...
    Good point in what sense? We rightfully teach every kid who goes to school in America about slavery. It’s not like there’s a generation of kids who don’t know slavery existed in America.

    The argument is put out we can’t move forward yet America continues to grow and get more diverse on a daily/monthly/yearly basis.

    What would you say needs to be done to put slavery more at the forefront?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Good point in what sense? We rightfully teach every kid who goes to school in America about slavery. It’s not like there’s a generation of kids who don’t know slavery existed in America.

    The argument is put out we can’t move forward yet America continues to grow and get more diverse on a daily/monthly/yearly basis.

    What would you say needs to be done to put slavery more at the forefront?
    I think you just don't like her so that is tainting your opinion..... I checked the things I believe are true....... You can do the same if you like.. I don't agree w/ her a lot, maybe as much as you, but IMHO when she is right, she is right & I am not gonna ignore it.

    Racist white people never wanted Blacks educated. check

    That still has an effect on today society. check

    Until slavery and racism is addressed in this country we will never move forward. check

    We remember the holocust check
    We remember Pearl Harbor check
    We remember 9/11 check
    We should forget slavery
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    There are some basic facts that I think many of the people who support these ideas forget:

    1. College is voluntary.
    2. Taking out a student loan to pay for college is voluntary.
    3. Not everybody is meant for college and not everybody benefits by going to college.
    4. College is not a necessity for success or a guarantee for success.
    5. Nothing is ever really "free".

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    There is no such thing as free college.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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