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    Default AFORCE C17 fueled up $11MIL in 17-19 at a (failing) AIRPORT near TRUMP'S Scotish CLUB

    Limited characters precludes me from putting the threat title this is a C17 carrying supplies to KUWAIT.

    The airport was bought by a local entity for 1 pound. It is failing. I think we can assume that is THE point of entry for country club types going to Trump's property. Starting back in APRIL, a inquiry was made to the PENTAGON as to why a C17 FLYING SUPPLIES TO KUWAIT were stopping at this airport to gas up and its CREWS staying at Trump's club?

    Perhaps my geography and frugality 'flares' went up but why would ANY MILITARY AIRCRAFT LAND and GAS UP at a private airport--anywhere? But it in Scotland on its way to KUWAIT? Do you know how many bases we have in EUROPE?

    PS And in case you have forgotten, this follows PENCE just staying at Trump's IRELAND club and commuting 3 hours by helicopter to HIS MEETINGS IN DUBLIN!!

    Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trump’s Scottish resort

    Now the layover is part of a broader House inquiry into military spending at and around the Trump property.


    By NATASHA BERTRAND and BRYAN BENDER
    09/06/2019 08:00 PM EDT


    In early Spring of this year, an Air National Guard crew made a routine trip from the U.S. to Kuwait to deliver supplies.
    What wasn’t routine was where the crew stopped along the way: President Donald Trump’s Turnberry resort, about 50 miles outside Glasgow, Scotland.

    Since April, the House Oversight Committee has been investigating why the crew on the C-17 military transport plane made the unusual stay — both en route to the Middle East and on the way back — at the luxury waterside resort, according to several people familiar with the incident. But they have yet to receive any answers from the Pentagon.

    The inquiry is part of a broader, previously unreported probe into U.S. military expenditures at and around the Trump property in Scotland. According to a letter the panel sent to the Pentagon in June, the military has spent $11 million on fuel at the Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry — since October 2017, fuel that would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military base. The letter also cites a Guardian report that the airport provided cut-rate rooms and free rounds of golf at Turnberry for U.S. military members.

    Taken together, the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018.

    “The Defense Department has not produced a single document in this investigation,” said a senior Democratic aide on the oversight panel. “The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.”
    The Pentagon, Air Force and White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


    On previous trips to the Middle East, the C-17 had landed at U.S. air bases such as Ramstein Air Base in Germany or Naval Station Rota in Spain to refuel, according to one person familiar with the trips. Occasionally the plane stopped in the Azores and once in Sigonella, Italy, both of which have U.S. military sites, the person added.

    But on this particular trip, the plane landed in Glasgow — a pitstop the five-man crew had never experienced in their dozens of trips to the Middle East. The location lacked a U.S. base and was dozens of miles away from the crew’s overnight lodging at the Turnberry resort.

    Had the crew needed to make a stop in the U.K., Lakenheath Air Base is situated nearby in England. The layover might have been cheaper, too: the military gets billed at a higher rate for fuel at commercial airports.

    One crew member was so struck by the choice of hotel — markedly different than the Marriotts and Hiltons the 176th maintenance squadron is used to — that he texted someone close to him and told him about the stay, sending a photo and noting that the crew’s per diem allowance wasn’t enough to cover food and drinks at the ritzy resort.

    The revelation that an Air Force mission may have helped line the president’s pockets comes days after Vice President Mike Pence was pressed about his decision to stay at Trump’s property in Doonbeg, Ireland, despite its location hundreds of miles away from his meetings in Dublin. The Oversight Committee is also investigating Pence’s stay at the resort.

    Accusations that Trump’s properties are unfairly profiting off of his administration have dogged the president since entering office. Ethics officials and lawmakers have raised concerns about foreign officials staying at Trump hotels, and noted that Trump supporters and industry groups regularly throw bashes at Trump-owned locations. Trump is also considering hosting next year’s Group of Seven gathering of world leaders at his Doral resort in Florida, a potential financial boon for the property, and has previously stayed at the Turnberry property.

    But the potential involvement of the military takes the issue to a different level.

    A senior Air Force official who was previously stationed at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska — where the C-17 crew was based — said choosing to refuel in Glasgow and stay at a posh property a half hour away would be unusual for such a mission. Typically, the official said, air crews stay on a military base while in transit or at nearby lodgings “unless all the hotels are booked or there is a Scottish sheep festival going on.”

    The official, who was not aware of the specific allegations, also said that the mid-level officers or senior enlisted airmen commonly responsible for identifying lodging for the personnel are notoriously frugal and try to stay where their government allowance covers the costs. “Master sergeants are cheap,” he said.

    Several weeks after being alerted to the curious overnight stop, the Oversight Committee wrote a letter to acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan asking for documents related to Defense Department expenditures at Trump Turnberry and the nearby Glasgow Prestwick Airport....


    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...etreat-1484337

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    This from a series of tweets. I'm cleaning it up so that hopefully it will post, I'll only remove the 'videos' and leave the news copy...


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      • One crew member was so struck by the choice of hotel—markedly different than the Marriotts and Hiltons the 176th maintenance squadron is used to—that he texted someone close to him and said the crew’s per diem allowance wasn’t enough to cover food and drinks at the ritzy resort.

      • Had the crew needed to make a stop in the U.K.—which they have never done before on this routine trip—Lakenheath Air Base is situated nearby in England. The layover might have been cheaper, too: the military gets billed at a higher rate for fuel at commercial airports.

        “The Defense Department has not produced a single document in this investigation,” said a senior Democratic aide on the oversight panel. “The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.”

      • It should also be noted that the military has spent $11 million on fuel at Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry, where this particular crew’s plane refueled in March — since October 2017. That fuel would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military bas



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    Obama spent more than that .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    Obama spent more than that .....
    This isn't about your mother being a whore, Cindy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    This isn't about your mother being a whore, Cindy.
    No , it’s about YOU being a dick wad !

    Keep up the GOOD work !

    You are good at it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    No , it’s about YOU being a dick wad !

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    You are good at it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    By the way, those 2 dollars I left next to the toilet were for your mom for a job well done.
    My mother is not a liberal .... nice try !

    You liberals are the WHORES !

    Always have been !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
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    I have the nasty cunt on ignore, everybody should do the same.

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    So it turns out the CREWS were totally confused, didn't have the money because their PER DIEM wasn't covering the costs of the rooms and food. They were wearing their military uniforms, weren't even sure whether they could/should wear them into the venue.

    I'm going to ask a whole other PRACTICAL, SAFETY, possible PERIL question!! How safe is it for a plane like that, military, huge and no previous experience landing there to land at the equivalent of a LOCAL municipal airport?

    JEZZUSFUCKINGCHRIST!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    This isn't about your mother being a whore, Cindy.
    Derailing? Don't. I will keep this thread up all weekend. 1AM on a FRI night and it is blowing up everywhere. There will lots of additions to cull from!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    So it turns out the CREWS were totally confused, didn't have the money because their PER DIEM wasn't covering the costs of the rooms and food. They were wearing their military uniforms, weren't even sure whether they could/should wear them into the venue.

    I'm going to ask a whole other PRACTICAL, SAFETY, possible PERIL question!! How safe is it for a plane like that, military, huge and no previous experience landing there to land at the equivalent of a LOCAL municipal airport?

    JEZZUSFUCKINGCHRIST!!
    You really are a total fucking gibbering idiot, every day you post new bullshit. Prestwick is an international airport ffs, are you registered as educationally sub-normal?

    https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    Limited characters precludes me from putting the threat title this is a C17 carrying supplies to KUWAIT.

    The airport was bought by a local entity for 1 pound. It is failing. I think we can assume that is THE point of entry for country club types going to Trump's property. Starting back in APRIL, a inquiry was made to the PENTAGON as to why a C17 FLYING SUPPLIES TO KUWAIT were stopping at this airport to gas up and its CREWS staying at Trump's club?

    Perhaps my geography and frugality 'flares' went up but why would ANY MILITARY AIRCRAFT LAND and GAS UP at a private airport--anywhere? But it in Scotland on its way to KUWAIT? Do you know how many bases we have in EUROPE?

    PS And in case you have forgotten, this follows PENCE just staying at Trump's IRELAND club and commuting 3 hours by helicopter to HIS MEETINGS IN DUBLIN!!

    Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trump’s Scottish resort

    Now the layover is part of a broader House inquiry into military spending at and around the Trump property.


    By NATASHA BERTRAND and BRYAN BENDER
    09/06/2019 08:00 PM EDT


    In early Spring of this year, an Air National Guard crew made a routine trip from the U.S. to Kuwait to deliver supplies.
    What wasn’t routine was where the crew stopped along the way: President Donald Trump’s Turnberry resort, about 50 miles outside Glasgow, Scotland.

    Since April, the House Oversight Committee has been investigating why the crew on the C-17 military transport plane made the unusual stay — both en route to the Middle East and on the way back — at the luxury waterside resort, according to several people familiar with the incident. But they have yet to receive any answers from the Pentagon.

    The inquiry is part of a broader, previously unreported probe into U.S. military expenditures at and around the Trump property in Scotland. According to a letter the panel sent to the Pentagon in June, the military has spent $11 million on fuel at the Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry — since October 2017, fuel that would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military base. The letter also cites a Guardian report that the airport provided cut-rate rooms and free rounds of golf at Turnberry for U.S. military members.

    Taken together, the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018.

    “The Defense Department has not produced a single document in this investigation,” said a senior Democratic aide on the oversight panel. “The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.”
    The Pentagon, Air Force and White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


    On previous trips to the Middle East, the C-17 had landed at U.S. air bases such as Ramstein Air Base in Germany or Naval Station Rota in Spain to refuel, according to one person familiar with the trips. Occasionally the plane stopped in the Azores and once in Sigonella, Italy, both of which have U.S. military sites, the person added.

    But on this particular trip, the plane landed in Glasgow — a pitstop the five-man crew had never experienced in their dozens of trips to the Middle East. The location lacked a U.S. base and was dozens of miles away from the crew’s overnight lodging at the Turnberry resort.

    Had the crew needed to make a stop in the U.K., Lakenheath Air Base is situated nearby in England. The layover might have been cheaper, too: the military gets billed at a higher rate for fuel at commercial airports.

    One crew member was so struck by the choice of hotel — markedly different than the Marriotts and Hiltons the 176th maintenance squadron is used to — that he texted someone close to him and told him about the stay, sending a photo and noting that the crew’s per diem allowance wasn’t enough to cover food and drinks at the ritzy resort.

    The revelation that an Air Force mission may have helped line the president’s pockets comes days after Vice President Mike Pence was pressed about his decision to stay at Trump’s property in Doonbeg, Ireland, despite its location hundreds of miles away from his meetings in Dublin. The Oversight Committee is also investigating Pence’s stay at the resort.

    Accusations that Trump’s properties are unfairly profiting off of his administration have dogged the president since entering office. Ethics officials and lawmakers have raised concerns about foreign officials staying at Trump hotels, and noted that Trump supporters and industry groups regularly throw bashes at Trump-owned locations. Trump is also considering hosting next year’s Group of Seven gathering of world leaders at his Doral resort in Florida, a potential financial boon for the property, and has previously stayed at the Turnberry property.

    But the potential involvement of the military takes the issue to a different level.

    A senior Air Force official who was previously stationed at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska — where the C-17 crew was based — said choosing to refuel in Glasgow and stay at a posh property a half hour away would be unusual for such a mission. Typically, the official said, air crews stay on a military base while in transit or at nearby lodgings “unless all the hotels are booked or there is a Scottish sheep festival going on.”

    The official, who was not aware of the specific allegations, also said that the mid-level officers or senior enlisted airmen commonly responsible for identifying lodging for the personnel are notoriously frugal and try to stay where their government allowance covers the costs. “Master sergeants are cheap,” he said.

    Several weeks after being alerted to the curious overnight stop, the Oversight Committee wrote a letter to acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan asking for documents related to Defense Department expenditures at Trump Turnberry and the nearby Glasgow Prestwick Airport....


    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...etreat-1484337

    This article is just bullshit, Lakenheath is not nearby ffs. It is in fact nearly 400 miles away, if the arsehole who wrote that can't even get that right then why should anyone give it any credence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    You really are a total fucking gibbering idiot, every day you post new bullshit. Prestwick is an international airport ffs, are you registered as educationally sub-normal?

    https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/
    Oh and another thing Centre Loony, Prestwick has been used by the military for nearly 80 years!! It played a pivotal role in the Battle of the Atlantic in WW2. Why are you so fucking stupid, seriously I want to know?

    If you continue to post unmitigated bollocks like this, then I consider it my duty to humiliate you at every opportunity.

    https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/business/military/ the EUROPEAN the
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Oh and another thing Centre Loony, Prestwick has been used by the military for nearly 80 years!! It played a pivotal role in the Battle of the Atlantic in WW2. Why are you so fucking stupid, seriously I want to know?

    If you continue to post unmitigated bollocks like this, then I consider it my duty to humiliate you at every opportunity.

    https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/business/military/ the EUROPEAN the


    I'm going to ask a whole other PRACTICAL, SAFETY, possible PERIL question!! How safe is it for a plane like that, military, huge and no previous experience landing there to land at the equivalent of a LOCAL municipal airport?

    Fine, a C17 can land there. Great, no one would get HURT! It was a question, asshole. Asked answered.
    NOW, back to the premise of the story and the POST! WHY DID IT LAND THERE? How many times were LIKE stopovers MADE THERE. When and WHY?

    PS DON'T even try to derail this thread with your FAKE erudition. There will be plenty of opportunities to get the many details, I feel certain are coming, for this story on the board. And I have no problem keeping it going.
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    Okay, so the POLITICO Defense editor was on MSNBC. Natasha Bertrand had the original by line. He threw out a # which, if/when it is put up, I will post. According to Mr. Bender, there were some "600 payments" made by the Pentagon/military to TURNBERRY since 2017.
    (I'm pretty sure I got the # right, it sure got my attention).


    Bryan Bender - POLITICO Pro

    https://subscriber.politicopro.com › staff › bryan-bender

    Bryan Bender is the defense editor for POLITICO Pro. He was previously a D.C.-based reporter for the Boston Globe and Jane’s Defence Weekly, where he covered U.S. military operations in the Middle East, Asia, Latin America, and the Balkans. He also writes about terrorism, the ...
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