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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No, currently he is elected by geography, find it hard to believe that the Founding Fathers would endorse the process
    You find it hard to believe because like your leftist pals, you're an uneducated dolt.
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    i dont really mind EC or no EC.

    What I do find appalling is agreeing to an EC election beforehand then whining because you lost by EC rules and declaring the election illegitimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    These idiots think that the US of A should be a democracy. Such dumbasses.
    The irony here is that IF Republican Presidents started winning the popular vote every time, they'd be demanding a re-institution of the electoral college. Leftists are that fucking lame and pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    the EC was an imperfect solution the framers dreamed up...……completely outdated and useless in modern times:
    Nope. The reason for the Electoral College hasn't changed. It is still in use today, after over 200 years of being in the Constitution.
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    The system makes so little 21st (and really 19th or 20th) century sense that as scores of new nations have made the transition to democracies,

    There are currently no democracies anywhere on Earth.
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    and as they studied the varieties of democratic systems already in existence,
    There are currently no democracies anywhere on Earth.
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    none have adopted the Electoral College model for choosing a president.
    So?
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    In fact, if the Electoral College system wasn’t in the Constitution, it would almost certainly be struck down as unconstitutional because the apportionment of electoral votes
    violates the principle of one-person, one-vote.
    There are currently no democracies anywhere on Earth. Each member of the Electoral College gets one vote.
    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the framers wanted to create a powerful new executive branch — something that had been missing from the first national American government organized under the Articles of Confederation in the middle of the War for Independence. But the Philadelphia convention was stymied over how to choose a president.

    The solution that would seem obvious to modern eyes — hold a national election and whoever gets the most votes take office — seemed unimaginable to most of the framers.
    For the reasons that have already been described to you, but which you ignore.
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    The framers were smart and well-intentioned, but had plenty of blind spots.
    Not a blind spot.
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    They were leery of too much democracy,
    There are currently no democracies anywhere on Earth. The United States is not a democracy and never has been.
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    which is why only one of the four power centers they created (the House of Representatives) was to be directly elected.
    It isn't. It is elected by popular vote by district.
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    The more often overlooked blind spot that led to the Electoral College system
    Not a blind spot.
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    was the framers’ thoughts — or lack of thoughts — about political parties.
    Political parties existed since before the United States, dumbass.
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    The framers didn’t foresee the development of national political parties
    National political parties existed since before the United States, dumbass.
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    (even though the first two-party system took shape almost immediately after ratification).
    National political parties existed since before the United States, dumbass.
    The current two largest parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, formed out of similar parties in the past. The current form of the Democrat party was formed in 1828 and became a national party in 1834. It has little to do with the Democrat Party formed by Jefferson in 1792. The Republican Party formed out of the Whig Party in 1854 and became a national party in 1860, about 63 years after the Constitution itself was ordained to power.
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    Without parties to nominate candidates and organize their supporters, without a national media, without a tradition (which didn’t come for more than 100 years) of candidates traveling around the country begging for votes, the framers couldn’t picture how, after George Washington left the scene, there would be political leaders with sufficient national reputations among ordinary voters to support a national election. In 1787, two national parties known as the Federalist Party (who later became Democrats after a few name changes) and the Democrat-Republican party (which became the Republican Party after a few name changes) vied for control of the new government. George Washington was elected by the Electoral College and served his first term starting in 1789.

    You really need to get your history from someplace besides shows on PBS that try to minimize and discard the Constitution of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    No Shit Sherlock!

    What I am saying is we have never had a Democrat president who didn't win both the necessary delegate votes and the overall POPULAR VOTE!

    Sorry you are too stupid to understand that!
    The President is not elected by popular vote, dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    No; I am saying that without the electoral college, a majority of smaller States would lose representation. We are a Republic of States, not a pure democracy. It prevents high population states like Texas, California and New York from deciding every election.
    No State is a democracy either. Each State is a republic, with the current exception of California, which is no longer a State since is no longer honors either the Constitution of the United States nor it's own State constitution.

    The United States is not a democracy at all. It is organized as a federated republic.

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    The now disgraced electoral college is ultimately at fault for putting this demagogue, tyrant and thug tRump on civilization and humanity to be a menacing tyrant in violation of U.S. Constitutional law. This includes tRump who's mission is to destroy democracy, the lawful rights of all, the well being of society and the common decency of civilization. Therefore, as a result of tRump and his team of goons being criminals against humanity as a threat to the global economy and humanity, the electoral college at outliving its usefulness should be dismantled and done away with forever. As demonstrated as a result of this tRump atrocity, the electoral college has become very dangerous and destructive because if it were not for this corrupted electoral college in cahoots with antigovernment conspiring GOPer cronies, America would truly be great again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It makes perfect sense to someone who isn't an uneducated dumbass. We are a Republic of States. Without the EC, three or four states would decide the outcome of every election.

    The founders we extremely intelligent and smart in how they constructed the Republic to prevent it from becoming a third world Fascistic shit hole the Democratic Party of the Jackass would turn it into.
    Bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    The now disgraced electoral college is ultimately at fault for putting this demagogue, tyrant and thug tRump on civilization and humanity to be a menacing tyrant who's mission is to destroy democracy, the lawful rights of all, the well being of society and the common decency of civilization. This includes as a result of tRump and his team of goons being criminals against humanity as a threat to the global economy and humanity, the electoral college at outliving its usefulness should be dismantled and done away with forever. If it were not for this corrupted electoral college in cahoots with antigovernment conspiring GOPer cronies, America would truly be great again.
    ^^Stuck on moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No State is a democracy either. Each State is a republic, with the current exception of California, which is no longer a State since is no longer honors either the Constitution of the United States nor it's own State constitution.

    The United States is not a democracy at all. It is organized as a federated republic.
    Isn't it sad when we have to educate the idiots here who actually graduated from High School? It is a sad testimony to the failure of our liberal controlled educational establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Isn't it sad when we have to educate the idiots here who actually graduated from High School? It is a sad testimony to the failure of our liberal controlled educational establishment.
    I think you are giving the liberals on this board much too much credit. At least the ones I have been conversing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Let him whine if it makes him feel better. The Constitution will not change.
    bingo..more TDS whining . The EC is well crafted to take in the states and the peoples representation.
    It follows the same representation as the body Congress
    the bizarre, three-year litany of dreaming of impeachment, the emoluments clause, the Logan Act,
    the 25th Amendment, the Mueller special-counsel investigation, Stormy Daniels and Michael Avenatti,
    Trumpís tax returns, White Supremacy!, Recession! Russian oligarchs! Whistle Blower! Impeachment & Aquittal!
    ó and Lord knows what next ó wait. Trump lied / people died

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    The now disgraced electoral college is ultimately at fault for putting this demagogue, tyrant and thug tRump
    They put the thug Obama and the thug Clinton in the White House too, you know.
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    on civilization and humanity to be a menacing tyrant
    Trump is no tyrant.
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    who's mission is to destroy democracy,
    There are currently no democracies in the world.
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    the lawful rights of all,
    * It is the Democrat party that wants to take away my guns, denying me my right to defend myself and the 2nd amendment in the process.
    * It is the Democrat party that wants to lock people up for what they say about global warming.
    * It is the Democrat party that wants to support bigotry and racism.
    * It is the Democrat party that wants to take the money I earn and give to someone else that isn't productive.
    * It is the Democrat party that wants to ignore or overthrow the Constitution of the United States.

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    the well being of society
    * It is the Democrat Party that.... I'm not going to write it all again.
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    and the common decency of civilization.
    * It is the Democrat Party that...you know the rest.
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    This includes as a result of tRump and his team of goons being criminals against humanity
    What crimes?
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    as a threat to the global economy
    What threat?
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    and humanity,
    What inhumanity?
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    the electoral college at outliving its usefulness should be dismantled and done away with forever.
    Why? Because it elected both Obama and Clinton?
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    If it were not for this corrupted electoral college in cahoots with antigovernment conspiring GOPer cronies,
    Obama and Clinton are not GOP cronies.
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    America would truly be great again.
    In case you haven't noticed, America is great. It is unique in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Isn't it sad when we have to educate the idiots here who actually graduated from High School? It is a sad testimony to the failure of our liberal controlled educational establishment.
    Yes. Keep in mind that some of these have graduated from college as well. Yet it is sad that they have never been educated.

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    Aside from all of this other malarkey you put here, President Obama and President Clinton did not recruit Russians to hack the election in their favor nor did they use antigovernment conspiring GOPer cronies to manipulate the electoral college in their favor either in violation of U.S. Constitutional law like your beloved Fuhrer and Putin puppet tRump did.

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