It All Boils Down To Win/Lose Or Win/Win Philosophy.

[PoliTalker]

I'm starting to develop a theory about being socially positive vs being socially negative.

And I think it ties into whether somebody is truly win/win or if they are hopelessly win/lose.

I hope I'm wrong about this, but it is beginning to look like conservatives are mostly win/lose, and liberals are win/win.

I did a bit of searching on this but I was unable to find anything that looked specifically at the relationship between win/win vs win/lose, and liberal vs conservative.

I don't know if it's real or just my perception.

Maybe it is just rare to be win/win, and as a liberal I focus my critical attention on conservatives, so when I see so many conservatives that appear to be win/lose that's what makes me think it's more common among conservatives. I certainly can't say there are not plenty of liberals who are win/lose.

But it just seems like favoring big business is all about win/lose, and favoring society is win/win.

And that reinforces my theory.

It's hard to imagine how negativity can lead to anything truly good. Achievement is wonderful. If that success depends on putting others down, that's not so wonderful. The road to success should be the result of hard work and making a contribution to society with something useful, not hurting others and suppressing their accomplishments.

Win/win is being socially positive, caring about what happens to society and others in that society.

Win/lose is about picking winners and losers, and trying to be the winner, thinking that: the only way somebody can win is if somebody else loses.

Capitalism produces win/lose thinking. But we need our socialism, too. And socialism is mostly win/win.

But there's room for win/win thinking in capitalism. It doesn't always have to be about win/lose. Actually, I think that's when capitalism is at it's worst, when it boils down to win/lose.

Capitalism can help a community or hurt it. We only want the helping, but it's pretty hard to avoid the hurting. Sometimes we have to use socialism to make up for the hurting of capitalism.

It's silly to think that capitalism is only about winning. We know it generates losers as it picks it's winners. That's why we've got to have socialism, liberalism and a way to spread the winning around.

The only lose part of socialism is the richest lose some of their gains, but never all, or even enough to make them losers. Even after taxing, the rich are still richer than everybody else.

Positive win/win liberals are good for society.

Negative win/lose conservatives are good for building wealth.

More than they ever need. That's why liberals need to stand up and be the social conscience for anti-social conservatives. Liberals need to be there to make sure conservatives make a positive contribution to society.

Without liberals America would end up being a few very pampered and privileged powerful people, and a lot of sadly lacking people who suffer for the excesses of a few. And that's just not right. It's not what America was supposed to be about.

Because liberal philosophy is all about win/win. Just like the Preamble to our Constitution.

[PoliTalker]

The Buy Here / Pay Here business model is definitely win/lose.

It is an example of predatory capitalism.

Many of those lots won't even sell a car to a cash buyer.

The reason is because they make so much more if they get a marginal credit buyer to make payments. And not just because they make money on the financing. They also place a GPS locator device on the car, and hope the buyer defaults. Then they go repo the car and sell it to somebody else. Often times the cars have problems which cause them to fail. So you get a paycheck-to-paycheck buyer who needs the car to get to work, but the car fails, so the buyer misses work, gets fired, and then the car gets repossessed. Then the Buy Here / Pay Here lot makes the repair and the car goes right back on the lot.

This capitalist business model is socially destructive.

It makes the owners of the business, those with capital, richer while it extracts wealth from those without capital. And it makes no bones about the damage it causes.

This doesn't make America great. This makes America chintzy, hurtful and hateful.

There is no hope in this for 'promoting the general welfare.'

It actually detracts from that.

It would be better to make an honest living by selling the best car you can, and doing your best to make sure the buyer can afford it without going bankrupt. Build a reputation for being the right place to go to get a car. That would be the right thing to do. It would take more work and have the benefit of being socially positive. And if the dealer is really good, they would build such a great reputation for being the best place to get a car that the business would grow and be even more profitable than the chintzy rip-off win/lose model.

[Robo]

It's hard to imagine how negativity can lead to anything truly good. Achievement is wonderful. The road to success should be the result of hard work and making a contribution to society with something useful, not hurting others and suppressing their accomplishments.

A perfect definition of true capitalism! Capitalism creates “useful” stuff. Government enforced Socialism creates slaves to reliance on the authorities, freedom is diminished, economy & the living condition is stagnant and or woeful for all except the authorities.

Win/win is being socially positive, caring about what happens to society and others in that society.

Private charity is the work of God, government enforced socialism is the work of Satan, allowed by fools.

Win/lose is about picking winners and losers, and trying to be the winner, thinking that: the only way somebody can win is if somebody else loses.

A definition of government enforced socialism. Government wins the bribed loyalties of the duped masses and the powers over individualism and freedom, while bilking & punishing the ambitious, the creative, the hardest working, the inventors, the creators, the job creators & those so arrogant as to be successful, create wealth, donate to charity & build economy for all. Government Socialism is a fucking lose/lose racket invented by the master fools & authoritarian scum of humankind. The only winners in a socialist society are the racketeers in the seats of government power, enjoying the power over the masses and the wealth acquired at the top.

It's silly to think that capitalism is only about winning. We know it generates losers as it picks it's winners. That's why we've got to have socialism, liberalism and a way to spread the winning around.

The only losers in a true capitalist system are the risk takers who’s imaginations & ideas fail for lack of worthwhile products & or intelligent financing or the will to hang tough through the rough spots. Their only victims of themselves, but with the incentive of freedom to try again. Government enforced Socialism has to find and make victims and bribe them to manipulate the system, take charge, rule the roost & take authoritarian command. Socialism produces nothing except victims and slaves without incentive for freedom & personal responsibility & the sense of self reliance & surrender to the government masters.

Liberals need to be there to make sure conservatives make a positive contribution to society.

Government enforced Socialism isn’t “liberalism!” True liberalism is defined by the “Bill Of Rights.” True liberalism is the promotion, preserving, providing and defending individual inalienable rights and freedoms! True conservatism is the steadfast determination to “CONSERVE” those very same true liberal principals! You fucking know not of what you speak! “TRUE” liberalism & conservatism are synonymous! Neither right or left in today’s world fit that TRUE definition!

Without liberals America would end up being a few very pampered and privileged powerful people, and a lot of sadly lacking people who suffer for the excesses of a few. And that's just not right. It's not what America was supposed to be about.

Because liberal philosophy is all about win/win. Just like the Preamble to our Constitution.

Horseshit! There are few true liberal/conservatives in today’s world, least of all are Democrats & Republicans. Y’all are phony duped losers, following your incompetent, corrupt BIG government snake charmers, liars, schemers, fools & fucking idiots.

[Adolf_Twitler]

Oh here we go!

Now you got Robo Jesus all worked up! Thank the lord for Holy Rollers, White Hoods, white shoes, matching belts, Kool-Aid, and Bar-B-Q Chicken Sunday dinners! Right?

[Robo]

Oh here we go!

Now you got Robo Jesus all worked up! Thank the lord for Holy Rollers, White Hoods, white shoes, matching belts, Kool-Aid, and Bar-B-Q Chicken Sunday dinners! Right?

As usual Adolf you have ZERO rational or competing argument for anything I've said. Your only talent is irrelevant worthless word puke! No surprise there, huh?

[evince]

I'm starting to develop a theory about being socially positive vs being socially negative.

And I think it ties into whether somebody is truly win/win or if they are hopelessly win/lose.

I hope I'm wrong about this, but it is beginning to look like conservatives are mostly win/lose, and liberals are win/win.

I did a bit of searching on this but I was unable to find anything that looked specifically at the relationship between win/win vs win/lose, and liberal vs conservative.

I don't know if it's real or just my perception.

Maybe it is just rare to be win/win, and as a liberal I focus my critical attention on conservatives, so when I see so many conservatives that appear to be win/lose that's what makes me think it's more common among conservatives. I certainly can't say there are not plenty of liberals who are win/lose.

But it just seems like favoring big business is all about win/lose, and favoring society is win/win.

And that reinforces my theory.

It's hard to imagine how negativity can lead to anything truly good. Achievement is wonderful. If that success depends on putting others down, that's not so wonderful. The road to success should be the result of hard work and making a contribution to society with something useful, not hurting others and suppressing their accomplishments.

Win/win is being socially positive, caring about what happens to society and others in that society.

Win/lose is about picking winners and losers, and trying to be the winner, thinking that: the only way somebody can win is if somebody else loses.

Capitalism produces win/lose thinking. But we need our socialism, too. And socialism is mostly win/win.

But there's room for win/win thinking in capitalism. It doesn't always have to be about win/lose. Actually, I think that's when capitalism is at it's worst, when it boils down to win/lose.

Capitalism can help a community or hurt it. We only want the helping, but it's pretty hard to avoid the hurting. Sometimes we have to use socialism to make up for the hurting of capitalism.

It's silly to think that capitalism is only about winning. We know it generates losers as it picks it's winners. That's why we've got to have socialism, liberalism and a way to spread the winning around.

The only lose part of socialism is the richest lose some of their gains, but never all, or even enough to make them losers. Even after taxing, the rich are still richer than everybody else.

Positive win/win liberals are good for society.

Negative win/lose conservatives are good for building wealth.

More than they ever need. That's why liberals need to stand up and be the social conscience for anti-social conservatives. Liberals need to be there to make sure conservatives make a positive contribution to society.

Without liberals America would end up being a few very pampered and privileged powerful people, and a lot of sadly lacking people who suffer for the excesses of a few. And that's just not right. It's not what America was supposed to be about.

Because liberal philosophy is all about win/win. Just like the Preamble to our Constitution.

There are people who can not see themselves as good without comparing themselves to others

Some cant see themselves as GOOD without finding someone to see as BAD


Its an internal failure to actually love your self for who you are


It has a victim quality to it

"I cant be good unless I find someone that is WORSE than me"

people can be taught not to see the world this way


it is the very ROOTS of racism


its a mental problem due to a self esteem problem


instead of trying to find a way to be a person they can themselves respect



They try to find someone they see as WORSE than them


so they also INVENT lies about others to make it easy for them to do


its the result of not being able to self examining enough to get to the root of their mental problem of low self opinion


A liberal with low self esteem looks UP to others and aims for their level by trying to be a better person

self improvement


think of how the right sees self improvement


they have contempt for it


they MOCK it

[evince]

A perfect definition of true capitalism! Capitalism creates “useful” stuff. Government enforced Socialism creates slaves to reliance on the authorities, freedom is diminished, economy & the living condition is stagnant and or woeful for all except the authorities.



Private charity is the work of God, government enforced socialism is the work of Satan, allowed by fools.



A definition of government enforced socialism. Government wins the bribed loyalties of the duped masses and the powers over individualism and freedom, while bilking & punishing the ambitious, the creative, the hardest working, the inventors, the creators, the job creators & those so arrogant as to be successful, create wealth, donate to charity & build economy for all. Government Socialism is a fucking lose/lose racket invented by the master fools & authoritarian scum of humankind. The only winners in a socialist society are the racketeers in the seats of government power, enjoying the power over the masses and the wealth acquired at the top.



The only losers in a true capitalist system are the risk takers who’s imaginations & ideas fail for lack of worthwhile products & or intelligent financing or the will to hang tough through the rough spots. Their only victims of themselves, but with the incentive of freedom to try again. Government enforced Socialism has to find and make victims and bribe them to manipulate the system, take charge, rule the roost & take authoritarian command. Socialism produces nothing except victims and slaves without incentive for freedom & personal responsibility & the sense of self reliance & surrender to the government masters.



Government enforced Socialism isn’t “liberalism!” True liberalism is defined by the “Bill Of Rights.” True liberalism is the promotion, preserving, providing and defending individual inalienable rights and freedoms! True conservatism is the steadfast determination to “CONSERVE” those very same true liberal principals! You fucking know not of what you speak! “TRUE” liberalism & conservatism are synonymous! Neither right or left in today’s world fit that TRUE definition!



Horseshit! There are few true liberal/conservatives in today’s world, least of all are Democrats & Republicans. Y’all are phony duped losers, following your incompetent, corrupt BIG government snake charmers, liars, schemers, fools & fucking idiots.

unfounded religiousy bullshit


tell me why Jesus was whipping the money changers idiot


try actually reading Jesus's claimed words


if you did you would not drool this crap out of your mouth all day long

[Adolf_Twitler]

As usual Adolf you have ZERO rational or competing argument for anything I've said. Your only talent is irrelevant worthless word puke! No surprise there, huh?

Excuse me Robo, for using you as an example of how people like you hypocritically use Biblical quotes and refer to Jesus and religion a lot here in the forum, but yet you defy your own religious message, with overtones of racism, self-interests, and low disregard for other human beings.

Your comments here in the forum are completely out of touch with the message of Jesus or any of your other Biblical heroes. In fact, your comments completely contradict many of Jesus quotes in the Bible.

You are not truly a religious person that practices the words of the bible. No, you are just a political old hack who judges others from some high lofty little perch of those who do not agree with your POLITICALLY EXTREME Right-Wing agenda!

People like you are referred to in the bible as HYPOCRITES!

[Celticguy]

There are losers in your socialist utopia.
Tax payers.