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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Actually you should read the account of Col. Crawford and how the Shawnee burned him at the stake in Atonement for the Moravian Indian Massacre. They didn’t just pop the good Colonel on a brush pile and light him off. They slow roasted him with lots of ritual torture involved.
    Gees. That sounds gruesome. That will have to be a little further down on my Reading List, but thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Gees. That sounds gruesome. That will have to be a little further down on my Reading List, but thanks for the info.
    Allen Eckert wrote about his execution in gruesome detail using primary sources. Simon Girty was also present during the execution and reported to the British. It was horrific to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I think you’re creating a false dichotomy. Why get rid of Columbus Day?

    I say we keep Columbus Day but we create a new Holiday called “Atonement Day”.

    On the first Atonement Day we take a person who represents all that is wrong with Anglo-American culture and burn them at the stake in Atonement for our past sins (Just like the Shawnee burned Colonel Crawford) .

    Obviously Watermark would be the best person to burn at the stake as I can think of no one better to represent the flaws of white Anglo Americans.

    After that every Atonement Day everyone will display a picture of a Native American with a tear running down his cheek as a symbol of all the atrocities committed against Native Americans and for Watermark’s sacrifice.

    Yep... Nothing says Americana like an Italian portraying a Native American in a discussion about Columbo......
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Just because it was common at the time, doesn't mean the Europeans did it to the Native Americans. In this one particular case, it was disease that caused mass death, not war or genocide.
    Yes, some estimates are that 90% in North & South America died from it. Massive kill offs do to the plague & other diseases throughout Asia & Europe..

    IMHO they surely did ethnic cleansing & I guess it is about how you wanna define genocide, & scale...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yep... Nothing says Americana like an Italian portraying a Native American in a discussion about Columbo......
    Oh yea wise ass...you try finding someone that will cry over Watermark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Oh yea wise ass...you try finding someone that will cry over Watermark.
    LOL..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    You don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. It wasn’t just disease and even so the European colonist, once they became aware of Native Americans lack of immunity purposefully and systematically spread contagion among them.
    It wasn't just disease, but as the video explains, the vast majority of Native American deaths happened because of disease. We're talking around 90%. And yes, the Europeans did give them smallpox blankets, but that happened much later on. Had that event not happened, the death toll would have been about the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yes, some estimates are that 90% in North & South America died from it. Massive kill offs do to the plague & other diseases throughout Asia & Europe..

    IMHO they surely did ethnic cleansing & I guess it is about how you wanna define genocide, & scale...
    There were battles between Europeans and Native tribes, and I'm sure race and culture played a role, and naturally the Europeans dominated since they had the better weapons. But the narrative that the Europeans just went in and decided to commit mass murder is just another anti-white talking-point taught in (((the media and academia))).

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Just because it was common at the time, doesn't mean the Europeans did it to the Native Americans. In this one particular case, it was disease that caused mass death, not war or genocide.
    IMHO it has a lot to do w/ scale.... Was it like the Mongols going in & slaughter ever man, women & child-sadly yea, some times it was, although on a smaller scale..


    Individuals of all sides performed what we would call war crimes & ethnic cleansing........

    While the US government did not order genocide, it did happen on the local level, bounty for scalps for example is a clear example..

    The gov most certainly did order ethnic cleansing & everyone knows it, & knows of their indifference to the deaths it caused...

    There was more than just one trail of tears, EXAMPLE The Other Trail of Tears: The Removal of the Ohio Indians Paperback – March 18, 2016

    They had no rights & they could be murdered w/ impunity.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Angry old white socialists lying to millenials, ... again.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mi...-columbus-day/
    More like a Rush Limbaugh flunky denying historically valid, documented facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Bringing up David Duke is not an argument. Yes, I agree with Duke on some issues. Big deal.
    I'm not disagreeing that most of the victims are black. I'm disagreeing that the REASON they're victims is because they're black. I'm saying this is a class issue. Blacks have higher rates of poverty, but there are still plenty of poor white people effected, and it's even worse for them because they don't have affirmative action or the right to assembly.




    What exactly is the racist policy aimed at the non-white population?

    Congrats, you found ONE example. Of course there are cases where the establishment acknowledges that a hate crime happened to a white person, but that's the exception, not the rule. Most people still have that ridiculous believe that white people aren't victims of racism.



    Again, you're confusing racism with classism. Just because the majority of the victims of something are black, does not mean the REASON they are being targeted is their race.



    WTF are you talking about? I said legacy admission is classism. Are you even reading my comments?
    And here's why it is no longer necessary to debate this joker on this subject, folks:

    StonebyStone stated: Yes, I agree with Duke on some issues. Big deal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

    'Nuff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And here's why it is no longer necessary to debate this joker on this subject, folks:

    StonebyStone stated: Yes, I agree with Duke on some issues. Big deal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

    'Nuff said.
    this shit statue stone by stone has said more than once the black and white people need to separate.


    its a racist that likes to pretend its liberal


    racism is antithetical to liberal ideas


    I think its a russo bot hole trying to make liberals look bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And here's why it is no longer necessary to debate this joker on this subject, folks:

    StonebyStone stated: Yes, I agree with Duke on some issues. Big deal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

    'Nuff said.


    By the way, I usually consider Wikipedia to be an accurate source, but their page on Duke is bullshit. He's not a White Supremacist, he's a separatist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    And here's why it is no longer necessary to debate this joker on this subject, folks:

    StonebyStone stated: Yes, I agree with Duke on some issues. Big deal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

    'Nuff said.



    By the way, I usually consider Wikipedia to be an accurate source, but their page on Duke is bullshit. He's not a White Supremacist, he's a separatist.


    And there you have it, folks...all one has to do is just gleam through any reputable, objective source to see that junior's hero David Duke has run the spectrum of racist bilge during his 'career'. That SBS thinks one aspect isn't as repugnant as the other speaks volumes of his mindset. Note that all he has to offer in rebuttal is a childish cartoon.

    the attempts of racists and bigots to try and intellectualize their prejudices is a-typical of the David Duke mindset. Once exposed, I have no more desire or need to deal with them, as all they wish for is a platform to spew their bilge. I'm done with this clown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post


    And there you have it, folks...all one has to do is just gleam through any reputable, objective source to see that junior's hero David Duke has run the spectrum of racist bilge during his 'career'. That SBS thinks one aspect isn't as repugnant as the other speaks volumes of his mindset. Note that all he has to offer in rebuttal is a childish cartoon.
    #strawmanning and #deflecting

    I never said Duke is my hero. I agree with a few things he says. I also agree with a few things Cornel West and Bernie Sanders say, but they're not my heroes.
    The reason I posted that cartoon is because you're not making any arguments. All you're doing is changing the subject and name-calling.

    the attempts of racists and bigots to try and intellectualize their prejudices is a-typical of the David Duke mindset. Once exposed, I have no more desire or need to deal with them, as all they wish for is a platform to spew their bilge. I'm done with this clown.
    Again, not an argument. If you can't stand behind your claims, don't make them.

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