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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    You think 'taxing the rich' is going to raise $16 TRILLION? LMAO
    No. No longer wasting tons of cash on Israel and the bloated military will do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Year Zero View Post
    No. No longer wasting tons of cash on Israel and the bloated military will do it.
    not even close to funding that.
    -cutting the military with China on the rise is stupid. Cutting back on NATO is smart

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    not even close to funding that.
    -cutting the military with China on the rise is stupid. Cutting back on NATO is smart
    We don't need a massive land invasion force. We need only a scalpel to do a hammer's job with how efficient our military SHOULD be.

    Don't waste my time with this massive military shit. It's garbage. We have a defense budget, not a "make conservatives feel safe" budget.

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    Hello dukkha,

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    not even close to funding that.
    -cutting the military with China on the rise is stupid. Cutting back on NATO is smart
    Why not listen to what the Pentagon determines is the optimal military? (We never do.)

    The only reason we have such a large military is not because of strategic planning. It is because lawmakers are bringing home the bacon and approving military expenditures the Pentagon never asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    America of the future. America that promotes the general welfare and takes care of herself AND the planet.

    Oh man! THIS sounds AWESOME!

    We do all this - America will be greater than ever.

    How's THAT for a slogan?

    Make America Greater Than Ever.

    OK, here we go, folks. It's ON! Bernie has made a BOLD new promise:

    "As President, Bernie Sanders Will Avert Climate Catastrophe and Create 20 Million Jobs

    As president, Bernie Sanders will launch the decade of the Green New Deal, a ten-year, nationwide mobilization centered around justice and equity during which climate change will be factored into virtually every area of policy, from immigration to trade to foreign policy and beyond. This plan outlines some of the most significant goals we have set and steps we will take during this mobilization, including:


    Reaching 100 percent renewable energy for electricity and transportation by no later than 2030 and complete decarbonization by 2050 at latest – consistent with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change goals – by expanding the existing federal Power Marketing Administrations to build new solar, wind, and geothermal energy sources.

    Ending unemployment by creating 20 million jobs needed to solve the climate crisis. These jobs will be good paying, union jobs with strong benefits and safety standards in steel and auto manufacturing, construction, energy efficiency retrofitting, coding and server farms, and renewable power plants. We will also create millions of jobs in sustainable agriculture, engineering, a reimagined and expanded Civilian Conservation Corp, and preserving our public lands.

    Directly invest an historic $16.3 trillion public investment toward these efforts, in line with the mobilization of resources made during the New Deal and WWII, but with an explicit choice to include black, indigenous and other minority communities who were systematically excluded in the past.

    A just transition for workers. This plan will prioritize the fossil fuel workers who have powered our economy for more than a century and who have too often been neglected by corporations and politicians. We will guarantee five years of a worker’s current salary, housing assistance, job training, health care, pension support, and priority job placement for any displaced worker, as well as early retirement support for those who choose it or can no longer work.

    Declaring climate change a national emergency. We must take action to ensure a habitable planet for ourselves, for our children, and for our grandchildren. We will do whatever it takes to defeat the threat of climate change.

    Saving American Families money, by weatherizing homes and lowering energy bills, building affordable and high-quality, modern public transportation, providing grants and trade-in programs for families and small businesses to purchase high-efficiency electric vehicles, and rebuilding our inefficient and crumbling infrastructure, including deploying universal, affordable high-speed internet.

    Supporting small family farms by investing in ecologically regenerative and sustainable agriculture.
    This plan will transform our agricultural system to fight climate change, provide sustainable, local foods, and break the corporate stranglehold on farmers and ranchers.

    Justice for frontline communities – especially under-resourced groups, communities of color, Native Americans, people with disabilities, children and the elderly – to recover from, and prepare for, the climate impacts, including through a $40 billion Climate Justice Resiliency Fund. And providing those frontline and fenceline communities a just transition including real jobs, resilient infrastructure, economic development.

    Commit to reducing emissions throughout the world, including providing $200 billion to the Green Climate Fund, rejoining the Paris Agreement, and reasserting the United States’ leadership in the global fight against climate change.

    Meeting and exceeding our fair share of global emissions reductions. The United States has for over a century spewed carbon pollution emissions into the atmosphere in order to gain economic standing in the world. Therefore, we have an outsized obligation to help less industrialized nations meet their targets while improving quality of life. We will reduce domestic emissions by at least 71 percent by 2030 and reduce emissions among less industrialized nations by 36 percent by 2030 — the total equivalent of reducing our domestic emissions by 161 percent.

    Making massive investments in research and development. We will invest in public research to drastically reduce the cost of energy storage, electric vehicles, and make our plastic more sustainable through advanced chemistry.

    Expanding the climate justice movement. We will do this by coming together in a truly inclusive movement that prioritizes young people, workers, indigenous peoples, communities of color, and other historically marginalized groups to take on the fossil fuel industry and other polluters to push this over the finish line and lead the globe in solving the climate crisis.

    Investing in conservation and public lands to heal our soils, forests, and prairie lands. We will reauthorize and expand the Civilian Conservation Corps and fully fund the Land and Water Conservation Corps to provide good paying jobs building green infrastructure.

    This plan will pay for itself over 15 years. Experts have scored the plan and its economic effects. We will pay for the massive investment we need to reverse the climate crisis by:

    Making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies.

    Generating revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Authorities. Revenues will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.

    Scaling back military spending on maintaining global oil dependence.

    Collecting new income tax revenue from the 20 million new jobs created by the plan.

    Reduced need for federal and state safety net spending due to the creation of millions of good-paying, unionized jobs.

    Making the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share. "

    Bernie's Green New Deal
    Like he attacked this punching bag ...LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    America of the future.
    America without a constitution?? No thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    America that promotes the general welfare and takes care of herself AND the planet.
    What you are suggesting will do none of that.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Oh man! THIS sounds AWESOME!
    Because you are drinking the socialist Kool-Aid.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We do all this - America will be greater than ever.
    No. It will be GONE.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    How's THAT for a slogan?
    Destroy America?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Make America Greater Than Ever.

    OK, here we go, folks. It's ON! Bernie has made a BOLD new promise:
    Okay. Let's look at Bernie the socialist's platform.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    "As President, Bernie Sanders Will Avert Climate Catastrophe and Create 20 Million Jobs

    What 'climate catastrophe'? Where are these 20 million jobs? What are they for?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    As president, Bernie Sanders will launch the decade of the Green New Deal, a ten-year, nationwide mobilization centered around justice and equity during which climate change will be factored into virtually every area of policy, from immigration to trade to foreign policy and beyond. This plan outlines some of the most significant goals we have set and steps we will take during this mobilization, including:
    Better start by defining 'climate change', Bernie.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Reaching 100 percent renewable energy for electricity and transportation by no later than 2030 and complete decarbonization by 2050 at latest – consistent with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change goals – by expanding the existing federal Power Marketing Administrations to build new solar, wind, and geothermal energy sources.
    What's he got against carbon? You and I and everyone around you is made of carbon and other compounds! Define 'climate change', Bernie. I see you want to invest in the most expensive sources of energy available, rather than let the market decide for itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Ending unemployment by creating 20 million jobs needed to solve the climate crisis.
    What do these jobs do? Who is paying for them? What 'climate crisis'?
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    These jobs will be good paying, union jobs with strong benefits and safety standards in steel and auto manufacturing,
    Wait...whut? Automotive and steel manufacturing? How does this have anything to do with 'climate change'? Don't these jobs already exist?
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    construction,
    We already build stuff.
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    energy efficiency retrofitting,
    We already retrofit inefficient systems.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    coding and server farms,
    Coding isn't farmed. It's ranching. Servers aren't farmed either. (Ah yes...remember that crop of '24? THAT was a good year!)
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    and renewable power plants.
    So...coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear, hydroelectric, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We will also create millions of jobs in sustainable agriculture,
    Agriculture is already sustainable. Where are all these jobs coming from?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    engineering,
    We already have engineering. Where are these jobs coming from?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    a reimagined and expanded Civilian Conservation Corp, and preserving our public lands.
    Oh....GOVERNMENT welfare, not jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Directly invest an historic $16.3 trillion public investment toward these efforts,
    No need. Private individuals have already invested a lot more than that to these efforts!
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    in line with the mobilization of resources made during the New Deal and WWII,
    The New Deal was theft of resources. WW2 was destruction of resources.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    but with an explicit choice to include black, indigenous and other minority communities who were systematically excluded in the past.
    Oh...so racism and bigotry is part of the New Green Deal, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    A just transition for workers.
    Why do they need transition?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    This plan will prioritize the fossil fuel workers who have powered our economy for more than a century and who have too often been neglected by corporations and politicians.
    Oh. So you want to put millions out of work.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We will guarantee five years of a worker’s current salary,
    How. You just put them out of work!
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    housing assistance,
    So...welfare?
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    job training,
    They liked their jobs. Why do you need to retrain them?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    health care,
    They had health care until you took away their ability to pay for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    pension support,
    They had pensions until you stole them.
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    and priority job placement for any displaced worker,
    Doing what? Void argument. Why should YOU decide what people do for a living, Bernie?
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    as well as early retirement support for those who choose it or can no longer work.
    So...welfare?
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    Declaring climate change a national emergency.
    You have to define 'climate change' before you can make it an emergency, Bernie.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We must take action to ensure a habitable planet for ourselves,
    It's already habitable. We're here, aren't we?
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    for our children,
    It's already habitable. Our children are here, aren't they?
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    and for our grandchildren.
    It's already habitable. Our grandchildren are here, aren't they?
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    We will do whatever it takes to defeat the threat of climate change.
    Better define it first!
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Saving American Families money,
    By throwing them out of work???
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    by weatherizing homes
    We already weatherize homes.
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    and lowering energy bills,
    We already take steps to lower energy bills.
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    building affordable and high-quality, modern public transportation,
    We have already done that.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    providing grants and trade-in programs for families and small businesses to purchase high-efficiency electric vehicles,
    Oh...so you call crappy electric cars that take hours to refuel instead of the few minutes a gasoline car does and call that high efficiency???
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    and rebuilding our inefficient and crumbling infrastructure,
    Guess who let it crumble in the first place??? DEMOCRATS and LIBERALS.
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    including deploying universal, affordable high-speed internet.
    How are you going to pay for that?
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Supporting small family farms
    They already support themselves.
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    by investing in ecologically regenerative and sustainable agriculture. [/B]
    Agriculture is already regenerative and sustainable.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    This plan will transform our agricultural system
    Wait...whut? Why change what works???
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    to fight climate change,
    Define 'climate change'.
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    provide sustainable, local foods,
    We already have them.
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    and break the corporate stranglehold on farmers and ranchers.
    What have you got against a farmer or a rancher incorporating?
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    Justice for frontline communities – especially under-resourced groups, communities of color, Native Americans, people with disabilities, children and the elderly
    Ah. There's that racism and bigotry again.
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    to recover from, and prepare for, the climate impacts,
    What 'climate impacts'?
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    including through a $40 billion Climate Justice Resiliency Fund.
    Creating a $40 billion slush fund? Who benefits from this fund? You and your friends?
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    And providing those frontline and fenceline communities a just transition including real jobs,
    They already have real jobs.
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    resilient infrastructure,
    We already have one.
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    economic development.
    We already have economic development.
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    Commit to reducing emissions throughout the world,

    Emissions of what? CO2? Why do you want to eliminate CO2? That will only make agriculture more difficult.
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    including providing $200 billion to the Green Climate Fund,
    Another slush fund? $200 billion this time?
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    rejoining the Paris Agreement,
    Not enforceable. You're going to have to define 'climate change' first, Bernie.
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    and reasserting the United States’ leadership in the global fight against climate change.
    Define 'climate change', Bernie.
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    Meeting and exceeding our fair share of global emissions reductions.
    Why do you want to reduce a gas necessary for plant growth?
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    The United States has for over a century spewed carbon pollution emissions into the atmosphere in order to gain economic standing in the world.
    Nope. Very little soot in the air.
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    Therefore, we have an outsized obligation to help less industrialized nations meet their targets while improving quality of life.
    You are not going to be King of the World, Bernie.
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    We will reduce domestic emissions by at least 71 percent by 2030
    Argument from randU fallacy. You don't even know how much we are emitting now. Why do you want to reduce a gas necessary for plant growth, Bernie?
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    and reduce emissions among less industrialized nations by 36 percent by 2030 —
    You are not going to be King of the World, Bernie.
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    the total equivalent of reducing our domestic emissions by 161 percent.
    Oh...so I see you can't do math either.
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    Making massive investments in research and development.
    We already do.
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    We will invest in public research to drastically reduce the cost of energy storage,
    We already do.
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    electric vehicles,
    We already have electric vehicles.
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    and make our plastic more sustainable through advanced chemistry.
    You want plastic that doesn't break down? How's that going to go over with the cities banning plastic straws, Bernie?
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    Expanding the climate justice movement.
    Climate...justice??? Define THAT one, Bernie!
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    We will do this by coming together in a truly inclusive movement that prioritizes young people, workers, indigenous peoples, communities of color, and other historically marginalized groups
    Racism and bigotry again.
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    to take on the fossil fuel industry
    There is no fossil fuel industry. Fossils don't burn. I assume you mean carbon based fuels.
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    and other polluters
    Define 'pollution'.
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    to push this over the finish line
    What 'finish line'? There's suddenly a 'finish line'???
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    and lead the globe in solving the climate crisis.
    What 'climate crisis'?
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    Investing in conservation and public lands to heal our soils,

    Soil doesn't need healing. Crops are growing in them.
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    forests,
    Forests are find. We have more trees than ever in the United States, thanks to people like Weyerhauser. I happen to live in one.
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    and prairie lands.
    Prairies are find. I was just in Wyoming.
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    We will reauthorize and expand the Civilian Conservation Corps and fully fund the Land and Water Conservation Corps to provide good paying jobs building green infrastructure.
    What is 'green infrastructure'???
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    This plan will pay for itself over 15 years.
    What plan??? You haven't promoted any plan other than theft through socialism. How does that pay for itself?
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    Experts
    Can't name any, eh? Buzzword fallacy, Bernie.
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    have scored the plan and its economic effects.
    What plan? What economic effects? The theft of socialism? How are you counting a 'score'??
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    We will pay for the massive investment we need to reverse the climate crisis by:
    Making the fossil fuel industry pay
    So...theft to pay for a religion. Right. I have your number, Bernie.
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    for their pollution,
    Define 'pollution'.
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    through litigation,
    For what? Conducting a legal business? Oh, that's right...this is another avenue of theft.
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    fees,
    For what? Oh yeah...theft again.
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    and taxes,
    Theft again.
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    and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies.
    What subsidies?
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    Generating revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Authorities.
    We already do that. Have you ever heard of the Bonneville Power Administration?
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    Revenues will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.
    So how has the Bonneville Power Administration, been unable to do this? It's been around quite a long time, Bernie!
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    Scaling back military spending on maintaining global oil dependence.
    We don't depend on importing oil. We have all we need right here, Bernie.
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    Collecting new income tax revenue from the 20 million new jobs created by the plan.
    What new jobs? You so far have advocated putting people out of work and forcing them in to 'retraining' programs!
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    Reduced need for federal and state safety net spending due to the creation of millions of good-paying, unionized jobs.
    People already have good paying jobs. YOU want to force them out those jobs and force them into 'retraining' programs. That's theft, Bernie. Theft of liberty.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Making the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share. "
    Define 'fair share', Bernie.


    It is obvious that Bernie only wants to implement fascism by oligarchy. He will not uphold the Constitution of the United States. He only wishes to destroy the Constitution of the United States to implement his socialist dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Year Zero View Post
    No. No longer wasting tons of cash on Israel and the bloated military will do it.
    Math is clearly not your strong suit.

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    Let the states choose their path based on what their citizens want and vote for. The federal government is not all-knowing and a one size fits all approach will benefit only those who create the plan and nobody else. Putting your trust and your long term future in the hands of an elderly president (in this case potentially Sanders) who will not see the lasting outcomes and also having our trust and lives in the hands of a very poor performing and completely untrustworthy central government is not a future we should want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norah View Post
    Let the states choose their path based on what their citizens want and vote for. The federal government is not all-knowing and a one size fits all approach will benefit only those who create the plan and nobody else. Putting your trust and your long term future in the hands of an elderly president (in this case potentially Sanders) who will not see the lasting outcomes and also having our trust and lives in the hands of a very poor performing and completely untrustworthy central government is not a future we should want.
    it only performs BADLY when republicans run it

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    it only performs BADLY when republicans run it
    Jim Crow would disagree. Both parties have failed numerous times while in control and their trust ratings have been poor for decades upon decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    not even close to funding that.
    -cutting the military with China on the rise is stupid. Cutting back on NATO is smart
    dude

    when in all the years you have posted here have you ever been correct in the end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norah View Post
    Jim Crow would disagree. Both parties have failed numerous times while in control and their trust ratings have been poor for decades upon decades.
    only because of the LIES from the republican party do you believe that


    The ECONOMY preforms BETTER under Dems


    the taxws the republicans insist on TRASH our budget


    the crap you say is always right wing MEMES and NOT factually based

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    it only performs BADLY when republicans run it
    Lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    only because of the LIES from the republican party do you believe that


    The ECONOMY preforms BETTER under Dems


    the taxws the republicans insist on TRASH our budget


    the crap you say is always right wing MEMES and NOT factually based
    The economy is not under control of the government.

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