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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    You do realize that the second amendment is not a restriction on citizens right? It's a restriction on the Government, any law written, that infringes in any way, is a violation of the oath Congress swore! Now does that mean I want fully automatic weapons on the street, no! Are background checks good, eh, maybe! Those only make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase guns! Make gun crime punishments harsher, including death for murder with a gun!
    Are background checks good? Does such a law violate the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Jarod,



    We had this ban in the past. And when we had the ban, we had fewer mass shooting deaths.
    Lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    There is simply no need
    You don't get to designate 'need'. You are not the king.
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    - and certainly no "God given right"
    You don't get to speak for God or anyone else. You only get to speak for you.
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    - for any law abiding american to own hand grenades,
    It is legal to own hand grenades.
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    flame throwers,
    It is legal to build and own flame throwers. I even know of a flame thrower club. That's what they do. Build and operate flame throwers as a hobby.
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    machine guns,
    It is legal to own a machine gun.
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    bump stocks,
    It is legal to own a bump stock or to make one.
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    or 40 round ammunition clips
    It is legal to own magazines that hold 100 rounds if you want.
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    on military style assault weapons.
    It is legal to own military assault weapons. It is also legal to own non-military weapons such as the AR15 design.
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    A 40 round ammunition clip on a semi-auto rifle is designed for one thing only - to kill humans as rapidly and effectively as possible with a sustained rate of fire.
    Think about that if you try to take such a gun away from someone.
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    It is not designed for deer hunting or duck hunting.
    Who said it was?
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    The Second amendment is not an unlimited and completely unfettered and unrestrained right anymore than the First amendment is.
    Neither is a right. Both are restrictions on the federal government. The 2nd is also a restriction on the State governments. The 1st does not apply to State governments, only the federal government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I have heard exactly zero people say that no one should be able to own revolvers, pistols, shotguns, traditional hunting rifles, or vintage military small arms collectibles. .
    Argument of ignorance fallacy. I've heard quite a few say exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Yes, you should, can, and always will be able to.
    Then why do you want to ban them?
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    The issue per say is not semi-auto. I believe the issue is ammunition capacity, sustained rate of fire, ballistics, and lethality.
    Capacity is a nonfactor. Reloading time is about 1 second. Rate of fire is limited to how fast you can pull the trigger. Ballistics is everything from throwing a rock or a baseball to 60 inch cannons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    A 12 guage shotgun is the the best weapon known to mankind for close-quarters fire power, as in defending home and family from an intruder.
    Not everyone lives in a city home, dumbass. YOU don't get to dictate what the best weapon is to protect a home.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    A revolver or semi auto pistol is the only viable weapon for carry-and-conceal personal defense.
    Guess you never heard of the sawed off shotgun, eh? A favorite weapon of the mob because they can be carry concealed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Traditional hunting rifles, either bolt action or semi auto are perfectly suitable and designed for hunting.
    YOU don't get to designate what a 'traditional hunting rifle' is. You are not the king.
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    I have asked multiple times and have never received and credible answer as to what purpose, and why exactly, someone needs a semi-auto military style assault rifle with a high capacity ammo clip, and military grade ballistics in terms of velocity and lethality.
    Protecting a ranch. Protecting our Constitution. Shooting little pricks like you that want to overthrow the Constitution. Think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Do you really need and assault rifle to hunt small game???? What's wrong with a 22???????????????
    What's wrong with a .223?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norah View Post
    I would actually disagree with what you said about home/self defense. The best gun for those purposes is whatever the gun owner is most comfortable using. Whether that’s a 12 gauge shotgun, an AR style rifle, a handgun, a 22, or whatever else. A person with a gun they aren’t comfortable using or is out of their preference is not an advantage.
    Even the United States Army recognizes the shotgun as the premier weapon for close quarters firepower, and assigns trench guns for that tactical purpose. You basically have close to a zero percent chance of missing an intruder if you take a shot in his direction with a 12 guage. It takes a high skill level to put down a moving target on the first shot with an assault rifle. Which not only gives the intruder a chance to return fire, but the way the ballistics of the semi auto assault rifle are designed, your bullet could go through the wall of your house and into your neighbor's house. Meaning you not only missed your intended target, but you might have killed your neighbor. Those risks and tactical downsides are all negated by the shot gun.

    I guess what I am saying is that only idiots think a civilian AK-47 is the supreme weapon, the best choice, for defense of home against intruder.

    The bottom line here is that there is no God-given right to carry large-capacity ammunition magazines in semi-auto assault rifles. None. Nada. Zilch. That tactical set up is designed for one purpose, and one purpose only: to kill human as rapidly and efficiently as possible with a sustained rate of fire not found in other weapons on the civilian market.

    I maintain you do not have a God-given right to large capacity ammo clips with assault rifles, anymore than you have a God-given right to bump stock, machine guns, or grenades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    There is simply no need - and certainly no "God given right" - for any law abiding american to own hand grenades, flame throwers, machine guns, bump stocks, or 40 round ammunition clips on military style assault weapons. A 40 round ammunition clip on a semi-auto rifle is designed for one thing only - to kill humans as rapidly and effectively as possible with a sustained rate of fire. It is not designed for deer hunting or duck hunting.

    The Second amendment is not an unlimited and completely unfettered and unrestrained right anymore than the First amendment is.

    I have heard exactly zero people say that no one should be able to own revolvers, pistols, shotguns, traditional hunting rifles, or vintage military small arms collectibles. .
    "nineteenth-century civil rights leader Ida B. Wells noted that one of the lessons of post–Civil War America and “which every Afro American should ponder well,” is that “a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/30...can-americans/
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    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Ban all guns and we will have a safer and saner country. The carnage in American and especially in schools is due to a slanted and bad interpretation of the 2nd amendment. We do not need to kill each other and do not need weapons of war in society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Even the United States Army recognizes the shotgun as the premier weapon for close quarters firepower, and assigns trench guns for that tactical purpose.
    wouldn't this particular claim rightfully dismiss the US v. Miller issue of short barreled shotguns not being protected by the 2nd Amendment then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I guess what I am saying is that only idiots think a civilian AK-47 is the supreme weapon, the best choice, for defense of home against intruder.
    I have 6 years experience with home and military weapons of my own. the army is not the one i'd be listening to for their recommendation, and it is just that.........a recommendation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The bottom line here is that there is no God-given right to carry large-capacity ammunition magazines in semi-auto assault rifles. None. Nada. Zilch. That tactical set up is designed for one purpose, and one purpose only: to kill human as rapidly and efficiently as possible with a sustained rate of fire not found in other weapons on the civilian market.

    I maintain you do not have a God-given right to large capacity ammo clips with assault rifles, anymore than you have a God-given right to bump stock, machine guns, or grenades.
    I don't know about God given, but the 2nd Amendment has a single purpose and that is to notify the government that they have no power over our firearms. NONE!.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Ban all guns and we will have a safer and saner country. The carnage in American and especially in schools is due to a slanted and bad interpretation of the 2nd amendment. We do not need to kill each other and do not need weapons of war in society.
    governments around the world murdered over 200 MILLION people, largely their own citizens, so demanding or believing that only government should have all the guns makes you an idiot of such caliber that you shouldn't even be trying to argue a point.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Are background checks good? Does such a law violate the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution?
    I put eh maybe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Jarod,



    We had this ban in the past. And when we had the ban, we had fewer mass shooting deaths.
    Really? how many under Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Do you really need and assault rifle to hunt small game???? What's wrong with a 22???????????????
    You do realize that the second amendment is not a restriction on citizens right? It's a restriction on the Government, any law written, that infringes in any way, is a violation of the oath Congress swore! Now does that mean I want fully automatic weapons on the street, no! Are background checks good, eh, maybe! Those only make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase guns! Make gun crime punishments harsher, including death for murder with a gun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norah View Post
    I would actually disagree with what you said about home/self defense. The best gun for those purposes is whatever the gun owner is most comfortable using. Whether that’s a 12 gauge shotgun, an AR style rifle, a handgun, a 22, or whatever else. A person with a gun they aren’t comfortable using or is out of their preference is not an advantage.
    Are you married I am looking for a wife for my 21 year old son who thinks like you! He agrees! Someone raised you right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    governments around the world murdered over 200 MILLION people, largely their own citizens, so demanding or believing that only government should have all the guns makes you an idiot of such caliber that you shouldn't even be trying to argue a point.
    Bingo!

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