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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yes, that really irks me-a huge historical blunder. & loss of life.....

    There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.
    Sun Tzu quote

    Now China will go in & build where we only destroyed......

    I recall many of us over the years asking why no Marshall plan..

    Now looking back that would have merely made it easier on China, but would have saved lives & improved living conditions........


    Should be join the project & enjoy some of the fruits?? Or should we oppose it & for what reason??
    how can we oppose anything when China is there and we are withdrawaling?

    Afgh has LOTS of minerals-
    ( coal, copper, natural gas, petroleum, gold, lithium, uranium, gold, rare earth elements)
    although extraction is difficult and the war makes it prohibitive

    . But if the Taliban take over (gonna happen)
    and they want to fund their regime -we'll have to watch China profit off funding the Taliban!!

    PS. Russia is investing in building there as well

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    Russia's Soft Power Push in Afghanistan
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/russ...n-afghanistan/
    Investment in Afghan economic development is part of a strategy to rebrand Russia’s image in Afghanistan.

    The linkage between Russia’s economic development initiatives and Moscow’s pursuit of soft power in Afghanistan is revealed most compellingly by its expanded role in assisting Afghanistan’s infrastructure development. The Soviet Union’s instrumental role in the development of civilian infrastructure in Afghanistan prior to the outbreak of war in December 1979 is a source of nostalgia for many Afghans seeking a return to political stability.

    The decades-long survival of numerous Soviet-era construction projects, like the Salang tunnel, which links Kabul to northern Afghanistan, and Afghanistan-Uzbekistan Friendship Bridge, has been highlighted by advocates of expanded Russian involvement in Afghanistan.....

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    August 19, 2019 6:46 am
    Updated: August 19, 2019 1:32 pm
    China lashes out at Taiwan for offering asylum to Hong Kong democracy protesters
    By Kelvin Chan And Yanan Wang The Associated Press

    China lashed out at Taiwan on Monday over its offer of political asylum to participants in Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protest movement, a day after hundreds of thousands of people marched peacefully in the latest massive demonstration in the Chinese territory.

    The government of Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China considers its own territory, strongly supports the protests, and Hong Kong students in Taiwan held events over the weekend expressing their backing. Taiwan’s president made the asylum offer last month, though it’s not clear if requests have been received.

    WATCH: Duelling Hong Kong protests held outside Vancouver Chinese consulate

    Taiwan lacks a formal legal mechanism for assessing and granting asylum requests, although it has granted residency to several vocal opponents of the Chinese government.

    On Monday, Ma Xiaoguang, spokesman for the Chinese cabinet’s Taiwan Affairs Office, said Taiwan’s offer would “cover up the crimes of a small group of violent militants” and encourage their “audacity” in harming Hong Kong and turn Taiwan into a “haven for ducking the law.”

    Ma demanded that Taiwan’s government “cease undermining the rule of law” in Hong Kong, cease interfering in its affairs and not “condone criminals.”

    Organizers said at least 1.7 million people participated in Sunday’s Hong Kong rally and march, although the police estimate was far lower. Police said the protest was “generally peaceful” but accused a large group of people of “breaching public peace” afterwards by occupying a major thoroughfare and using slingshots to shoot “hard objects” at government headquarters and pointing lasers at police officers.

    The protests have at times been marked by violent clashes with police, who say they have arrested more than 700 participants since the demonstrations started in June. However, law enforcement officers kept a low profile Sunday, with no riot police seen from the procession’s main routes. When stragglers convened outside a government complex in the late evening, other protesters urged them to go home.

    READ MORE: IN PHOTOS: Hong Kong protests around the world

    MORE: Hong Kong police applaud behaviour of Sunday protesters

    More protests are planned for the coming weeks, with various rallies organized by accountants, transport workers, high school students and relatives of police officers.

    Demonstrators’ frustrations over what they perceive to be the government’s refusal to respond to their demands boiled over last week with the occupation of Hong Kong’s international airport, during which a reporter for a Chinese Communist Party-owned newspaper was assaulted, and attacks on a number of police stations.

    A former British colony, Hong Kong was returned to Beijing in 1997 under the framework of “one country, two systems,” which promised residents certain democratic rights not afforded to people in mainland China. But some Hong Kongers have accused the Communist Party-ruled central government of eroding their freedoms in recent years.
    LISTEN: Activist leader Joshua Wong on the ‘remarkable’ number of protesters:

    The protest movement’s demands include the resignation of Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam, democratic elections and an independent investigation into police use of force.

    Asked Sunday about the situation in Hong Kong, U.S. President Donald Trump said the use of Chinese troops to put down the protests — similar to the bloody crackdown on protesters in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square in 1989 — would worsen the current U.S.-China trade dispute.

    “I mean if it’s another Tiananmen Square, I think it’s a very hard thing to do if there is violence,” Trump told reporters in New Jersey. “I think there’d be tremendous political sentiment not to do something.”

    Trump had originally said the protests were a matter for China to handle but has since suggested that Chinese President Xi Jinping could resolve the situation by meeting with protest leaders.

    Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang avoided commenting on Trump’s remarks directly, but referred to the president’s previous statements on the protests.

    “We have noticed that President Trump has previously stated that Hong Kong is part of China, and that they must solve it themselves and do not need advice. We hope that the U.S. side can match its acts to its words,” Geng told reporters at a daily briefing.

    WATCH: Massive pro-democracy march in Hong Kong remains peaceful amid rising tensions

    China has furiously rejected all outside calls for it to discuss protesters’ demands.

    Members of China’s paramilitary People’s Armed Police force have been training for days across the border in Shenzhen, including on Sunday morning, fueling speculation that they could be sent in to suppress the protests. The Hong Kong police, however, have said they are capable of handling the demonstrations.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5782478/c...ng-protesters/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Seriously Bill, didn't you glean anything from the article?
    Why are you reluctant to state?? Rather than just post some article?? You got my opinion, you wish to share yours fine, if not que sera sera..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    how can we oppose anything when China is there and we are withdrawaling?

    Afgh has LOTS of minerals-
    ( coal, copper, natural gas, petroleum, gold, lithium, uranium, gold, rare earth elements)
    although extraction is difficult and the war makes it prohibitive

    . But if the Taliban take over (gonna happen)
    and they want to fund their regime -we'll have to watch China profit off funding the Taliban!!

    PS. Russia is investing in building there as well
    Perhaps I should asked that question separately, in a different post...

    Yes, Afghani-NAM is lost, has always been so, never doubted for a moment the Pastuns/tailband would resist till we left.........

    No, I am not talking about Afghani-NAM, per se but the entire belt initiative, is it is the best interest of Americans that we support & participate in it or oppose it?

    If we oppose it, how so??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Russia's Soft Power Push in Afghanistan
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/russ...n-afghanistan/
    Investment in Afghan economic development is part of a strategy to rebrand Russia’s image in Afghanistan.

    The linkage between Russia’s economic development initiatives and Moscow’s pursuit of soft power in Afghanistan is revealed most compellingly by its expanded role in assisting Afghanistan’s infrastructure development. The Soviet Union’s instrumental role in the development of civilian infrastructure in Afghanistan prior to the outbreak of war in December 1979 is a source of nostalgia for many Afghans seeking a return to political stability.

    The decades-long survival of numerous Soviet-era construction projects, like the Salang tunnel, which links Kabul to northern Afghanistan, and Afghanistan-Uzbekistan Friendship Bridge, has been highlighted by advocates of expanded Russian involvement in Afghanistan.....
    Sounds like a good thing for the ppl of Afghani-NAM..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Hopefully we'll hear what the UK has in mind at the G7 regarding China's deviation from the terms of the treaty.
    Why would we ? The UK couldn't give a flying fuck about Izrael's deviation from Resolution 181. HK is just another link in the Brit chain of imperialist clusterfucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Sounds like a good thing for the ppl of Afghani-NAM..
    any kind of investment by anyone has to be good for the people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Perhaps I should asked that question separately, in a different post...

    Yes, Afghani-NAM is lost, has always been so, never doubted for a moment the Pastuns/tailband would resist till we left.........

    No, I am not talking about Afghani-NAM, per se but the entire belt initiative, is it is the best interest of Americans that we support & participate in it or oppose it?

    If we oppose it, how so??
    we can't do anything about it. these are contracts between effected states and China. China has a right to build infrastructure, and sign contracts.

    BUT we sure as hell can prosecute a trade agreement that will finally be so called "fair trade"
    without the gross violations of the WTO now and where we treat China as an equal -not a "developing nation"

    It would be a good example for the world that they don't have to roll over and play dead for China either

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    we can't do anything about it. these are contracts between effected states and China. China has a right to build infrastructure, and sign contracts.

    BUT we sure as hell can prosecute a trade agreement that will finally be so called "fair trade"
    without the gross violations of the WTO now and where we treat China as an equal -not a "developing nation"

    It would be a good example for the world that they don't have to roll over and play dead for China either
    We could do something about it I think-could fuck w/ it, try to undermine it, sabotage it etc.... Things were good @ lol

    We could work w/ them, try to make some money along w/ everyone else??

    Perhaps we could even propose some kinda alternative, a better deal??

    Fair trade, honest trade etc may not happen I am afraid...... The more we learn, the less likely I see that happening..

    These efforts to force it down their throat isn't going to work & they will be bruised but we will suffer more & longer.... If we admit it or not..

    I am thinking we are more likely to end up w/ two systems, which we pretty much have in some ways.. Like goggle, amazon etc are not welcome in china, & haewei isn't welcome here-we don't trust them, they don't trust us... Any thoughts on that??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Why are you reluctant to state?? Rather than just post some article?? You got my opinion, you wish to share yours fine, if not que sera sera..
    I imagine that a lot is going on behind the scenes, the Brits don't go in for megaphone diplomacy as a rule. As Lord Baden-Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts said: Softly, softly, catchee monkey.

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    maggot;
    As Lord Baden-Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts said: Softly, softly, catchee monkey.


    Employee at UK's consulate in Hong Kong detained in China

    Detention comes amid more than two months of pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ained-in-china

    The Brits have intervened. Haw, haw.................................haw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    I imagine that a lot is going on behind the scenes, the Brits don't go in for megaphone diplomacy as a rule. As Lord Baden-Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts said: Softly, softly, catchee monkey.
    Wise, & the voice of experience........... Exactly what we should be doing & I am glad there hasn't been any tweet storms mucking things up.......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    maggot;







    The Brits have intervened. Haw, haw.................................haw.
    SO what does that mean??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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